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[Goji1639]

Society couldn't function if people did not look out for one another. That is just a part of adulthood. It's silly to have a parent sit with their teen just to play FFXIV, because people want to breach TOS.

It's like because you want the internet to be some safe space for kids you're encouraging parents to behave like it actually is one. It's not; OF COURSE parents should be sitting with and monitoring their kids interactions on FFXIV if they want to let their kids play it. If you can't do that then DON'T let your kids online under any circumstances.

"B-b-b-but the ToS" is just an excuse to be lazy. No parent in their right mind is going to assume THAT's going to provide reasonable protection from millions of random adults. Even if SE did try to enforce the ToS by having the game conduct questionably legal scans of their customers client PCs, those can be worked around. There's literally no stopping this kind of thing.

"I'm not going to watch my kid; everyone else just needs to behave and watch him for me" is nonsense. Don't let your kids out in public if you don't plan to supervise them, and the internet is public.

[Awha]

There are people that intend to groom. You keep falling back on the minor being a liar line to make it sound that the people that ERP with a minor are all or even mostly doing so unintentionally and the minor is the real culprit. You are giving groomers every excuse in this thread to cover their tracks. "They lied to me" is all they have to say, because that is all you think they should have to say if caught. According to you, that is what the community must accept as okay. It's not. There are 18+ clubs that knowingly 'employ' minors.

Complaining about the fake ID thing is nonsense as is complaining about an altered voice in Discord. It's much easier to type in a false age than to do either of those things.

Yes I understand people that intent to groom exist, everyone in this thread has already said they are in the wrong and should be punished. Also it is extremely easy to get a fake ID especially if they do not need a physical one and only need to show proof of it via a screen shot. Photoshop or any editing program are not difficult to find or use.

Please understand I do not think they should get a pass but I also do not think no one is really willing to do what what is necessary to combat such things in a preemptive manner. As another poster mentioned that would require us to give up our anonymity and I doubt many parents would even be in favor of that. As such only methods we have to combat such things will always be reactive in nature. Though through proper education and supervision the bad actor can be caught fairly early in the act before any serious damage was done. I do not ERP, but if it is anything like real thing the foreplay should be an important factor.

Cause let us be fair what you are pushing for intended or not is the either getting rid of player anonymity or moving towards punishing individuals for a potential harm they may or may not cause. Both of which do not seem like very logical positions. In the end the responsibility falls on the parent as mentioned I have an FC mate that monitors what their child does in game, they also play along side of them. For the longest time they legit only let them use a F2P account, and when they upgraded their account they went into the setting and turned off the all the chat functions for a time. They still worked 12 hour days, but found the time to monitor their child to keep them safe cause as you mentioned they understand that this game does have some unsavory forms of entertainment especially on the PF. Good parents find the time to monitor their children, bad one make excuses and pass the buck to others because that is just easier.

[Zsolen]

<More parent blaming>

That's not how the real world works. Parents have a lot of responsibilities, and watching every moment a kid plays FFXIV is the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread. You're insane if you think parents won't let teens play a teen game w/o supervision. Blaming the parents is essentially an extension of victim blaming.

Yes I understand people that intent to groom exist, everyone in this thread has already said they are in the wrong and should be punished. Also it is extremely easy to get a fake ID especially if they do not need a physical one and only need to show proof of it via a screen shot. Photoshop or any editing program are not difficult to find or use.

Please understand I do not think they should get a pass but I also do not think no one is really willing to do what what is necessary to combat such things in a preemptive manner. As another poster mentioned that would require us to give up our anonymity and I doubt many parents would even be in favor of that. As such only methods we have to combat such things will always be reactive in nature. Though through proper education and supervision the bad actor can be caught fairly early in the act before any serious damage was done. I do not ERP, but if it is anything like real thing the foreplay should be an important factor.

Cause let us be fair what you are pushing for intended or not is the either getting rid of player anonymity or moving towards punishing individuals for a potential harm they may or may not cause. Both of which do not seem like very logical positions. In the end the responsibility falls on the parent as mentioned I have an FC mate that monitors what their child does in game, they also play along side of them. For the longest time they legit only let them use a F2P account, and when they upgraded their account they went into the setting and turned off the all the chat functions for a time. They still worked 12 hour days, but found the time to monitor their child to keep them safe cause as you mentioned they understand that this game does have some unsavory forms of entertainment especially on the PF. Good parents find the time to monitor their children, bad one make excuses and pass the buck to others because that is just easier.

Lying about your age is easier than doing anything else, which is the point. Asking for someone's age does nothing. Anything more actually forces the minor to commit to the lie and it actually makes the story of the fool that fell for it more plausible.

Playing the ignorant card is no excuse. You are already doing something that is not only against terms of service, but you are doing something potentially illegal in many countries.

Throwing up your hands and saying "nothing can be done" is why groomers are emboldened, as SE is put in a bad position. Don't say no one is willing to put a stop to it, because many people actually care about kids.

[Caurcas]

Americans already destroyed future generations in the west,Your job is done.
And btw Bobby is Plushy alt.

Two points. One, why the attack on nationality? Two, someone disagrees with me therefore must be an alt is a tired counter point.

[Awha]

That's not how the real world works. Parents have a lot of responsibilities, and watching every moment a kid plays FFXIV is the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread. You're insane if you think parents won't let teens play a teen game w/o supervision. Blaming the parents is essentially an extension of victim blaming.



Lying about your age is easier than doing anything else, which is the point. Asking for someone's age does nothing. Anything more actually forces the minor to commit to the lie and it actually makes the story of the fool that fell for it more plausible.

Playing the ignorant card is no excuse. You are already doing something that is not only against terms of service, but you are doing something potentially illegal in many countries.

Throwing up your hands and saying "nothing can be done" is why groomers are emboldened, as SE is put in a bad position. Don't say no one is willing to put a stop to it, because many people actually care about kids.

Ahh, so that is what this is really about, the poor sap that fell their the machinations of the savy minor. In truth a part of you just does not want to believe that some minors are just scum that will do anything in their power to get what they want because they know they have a greater degree of protection in the form of plausible deniably. Everyone in this thread has agreed that devious adults exist, why can you not admit that devious minors exist, and lazy parents that shirk their responsivities off on others also exist. Cause those are the type of people many of us are fighting against and not willing to give up our own enjoyment because they exist, SE and the law already have tools in place to help those who have been prayed on. Sure many only time into play after the fact that but that is how our system works innocent until proven guilty. Also as for your point towards Goji, I know of many parents that do just that cause they know the internet is not a safe place to be and do everything in their power to make sure their child is as safe as possible. Please many parents make it work, parenting is about sacrifice good parents make it work no matter what end of story. It is a poor excuse to blame other responsibilities to shirk on your responsibilities of being a parent.

So let me get this straight though if SE required ID verification, you would be 100% okay with this? I for certain know of many parents that would not been to keen on having to provide ID verification for themselves or their children, let alone a private discord / FC as a means of making sure everyone is of age. TBH I cannot think of any person I know that would be okay with giving up their anonymity because grooming exists. Though I cannot recall, what was your solution to this? Also let us be fair you know what I mean by no one, cause we both know in the grand scheme majority of players will not be down giving up their anonymity to protect the kids.

Also it is extremely easy to get a fake ID or get someone to post a picture holding their ID and telling them what they would need to say for 5 bucks. I should know, I did it to get into an DayZ RP server as a kid. Voice change software is also easy to come by.

Two points. One, why the attack on nationality? Two, someone disagrees with me therefore must be an alt is a tired counter point.

This forum has a thing for forum alts, been called a troll myself because I am an alt and my view points. What people do not get is many people use forum alts to keep their ingame and forum interactions separate. Which is part of thing that Zsolen needs to learn that many people like their anonymity on the internet, and in the grand scheme I really think they will be hard pressed to get people to give that up because of a potential harm to children.

[Remish]

I really don't want to open a can of worms but having been a child that was raised super sheltered and monitored 24/7 on everything I was doing. It felt very abusive at times. I wasn't ever allowed to do anything because of all the over protectiveness. It was downright miserable. I didn't even have a computer until I was 21 when I finally saved up enough to buy one myself. Having your parents consistently mold you into their ideal perfect little angel, being home schooled, alone, had no and still don't have friends. It's very stressful. When you finally get out into the world after being sheltered so much, you then get a RUDE awakening at everything. You realize you were conditioned to be overly sensitive. You let things bother you that society feels is normal. Then everyone is always telling you go seek help because you were not raised the societal normal way. You get into political discussions where you're in the minority and people tell you to educate yourself. Because you were sheltered that much. All this talk about "Its the parents responsibility to monitor everything the child does" is true to a point but after so much of it, it really screws with your mind. You go into adulthood feeling like you still need your parents permission for things when you shouldn't need it. Trust me, having your parents monitor every single aspect of your life sucks.

[Kyuuen]

That's not how the real world works. Parents have a lot of responsibilities, and watching every moment a kid plays FFXIV is the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread. You're insane if you think parents won't let teens play a teen game w/o supervision. Blaming the parents is essentially an extension of victim blaming.

That is how the world works though...

For instance, lets say I'm a parent. I'm a parent that likes an occasional hard drink (not to get drunk; don't turn this into that) and as such I have a liquor cabinet. I forget to lock it one day and am away from the house for a period of time and my teen gets into it. Is the liquor company responsible for selling it to me in the first place? The cabinet company, for not designing the cabinet to lock automatically? Or mine, for not taking the necessary preventative measures for keeping my teen safe? Something tells me it's the latter.

Gun people have gun safes and locks for individual guns? Why? To keep people from them that shouldn't have access to them.

We; as a society, have laws about trespassing and breaking and entering, but I'm willing to bet every dime, nickle, and cent I have and am worth that you still lock your doors of a night.

Yet, when it comes to the internet it shifts to 'think of the chilins'. The internet is filled with people from different cultures, different backgrounds, differing values, and differing mind sets. If you are leaving the internet open to your child with little to no parental security settings or guidance, then THAT IS on you as a parent. Full stop, end of discussion. That includes online games that have some form of chat accessible to them, as you never know what someone can or will say.

Are there predators out there? Absolutely, and they should be buried under the prisons.

But stop holding the internet hostage to the failings of poor parentage.

[Awha]

I really don't want to open a can of worms but having been a child that was raised super sheltered and monitored 24/7 on everything I was doing. It felt very abusive at times. I wasn't ever allowed to do anything because of all the over protectiveness. It was downright miserable. I didn't even have a computer until I was 21 when I finally saved up enough to buy one myself. Having your parents consistently mold you into their ideal perfect little angel, being home schooled, alone, had no and still don't have friends. It's very stressful. When you finally get out into the world after being sheltered so much, you then get a RUDE awakening at everything. You realize you were conditioned to be overly sensitive. You let things bother you that society feels is normal. Then everyone is always telling you go seek help because you were not raised the societal normal way. You get into political discussions where you're in the minority and people tell you to educate yourself. Because you were sheltered that much. All this talk about "Its the parents responsibility to monitor everything the child does" is true to a point but after so much of it, it really screws with your mind. You go into adulthood feeling like you still need your parents permission for things when you shouldn't need it. Trust me, having your parents monitor every single aspect of your life sucks.

I am sure it sucks but unfortunately as parents it is either raise your kid to understand dangers exist and do everything in your power to educate and teach them how to do deal with such dangers or do what they did with you.

The option the others are trying to push make it a communal responsibility is not how the world works. Sure if raising a kid was a communal responsibility then yes probably their woild be no need for helicopter parents but unfortunately many including myself are not going to sensor or police myself because children may be present. Which will undoubtedly lead to more people like yourself being essentially locked up and cut off from the outside world.

[Goji1639]

That's not how the real world works. Parents have a lot of responsibilities, and watching every moment a kid plays FFXIV is the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread. You're insane if you think parents won't let teens play a teen game w/o supervision. Blaming the parents is essentially an extension of victim blaming.

If parents don't want to supervise their kids then there's no sympathy from me. Through negligence parents should share the blame for anything that happens to their kids; and probably should share the criminal charges if/when their children are hurt. I certainly don't think any of us should have to sacrifice anything we enjoy about this game to accommodate these pathetic attempts by parents to pass the responsibility for their inept parenting onto SE and the FFXIV community.

[Goji1639]

I really don't want to open a can of worms but having been a child that was raised super sheltered and monitored 24/7 on everything I was doing. It felt very abusive at times. I wasn't ever allowed to do anything because of all the over protectiveness. It was downright miserable. I didn't even have a computer until I was 21 when I finally saved up enough to buy one myself. Having your parents consistently mold you into their ideal perfect little angel, being home schooled, alone, had no and still don't have friends. It's very stressful. When you finally get out into the world after being sheltered so much, you then get a RUDE awakening at everything. You realize you were conditioned to be overly sensitive. You let things bother you that society feels is normal. Then everyone is always telling you go seek help because you were not raised the societal normal way. You get into political discussions where you're in the minority and people tell you to educate yourself. Because you were sheltered that much. All this talk about "Its the parents responsibility to monitor everything the child does" is true to a point but after so much of it, it really screws with your mind. You go into adulthood feeling like you still need your parents permission for things when you shouldn't need it. Trust me, having your parents monitor every single aspect of your life sucks.

Parents don't need to monitor absolutely every aspect of your life, but your internet interactions should absolutely be closely monitored. It shouldn't even be that difficult, because as a kid your internet time and access should be very limited anyways.

The internet is a dangerous place even for adults; I honestly find it astounding how cavalier some of you are about just sending kids out into it and letting the chips fall wherever.

Now parents who are so possessive they've scheduled every breath their kid is allowed to take are a different issue; that's not what we're talking about here.