Asmongold on NSFW mods

[SenseiMaria]

People have claimed in the past that you cannot tell who is a minor in ERP, when people asked what ERPers can do to prevent accidental interactions with a minor. It's basically a stonewall people put up saying 'nope, we won't do it and we don't care if minors get involved.' It's the stonewall behavior that creates the tension.

Those dating apps exist for the purpose of being a dating service. FFXIV does not exist as a dating service or a porn game. That is not the intended purpose. Real roleplay, adventuring, exploring, raiding, pvping,* crafting, gathering, decorating, glamouring, etc... there are so many thing FFXIV is a game for.

Of course they say they won't do it. Because what could be done about it?

Everytime you visit an 18+ website, do they ask you to immediately email a copy of your driver's license to prove you're over 18 before letting you access said content?
When you create an account on youtube, does it ask you to verify you're over 13 by uploading a copy of your birth certificate?
Before you hit enter on your google search of 'naked Latinas' with safesearch off on the images tab, does Google do anything to confirm you're over 18?

And these are million/billion/trillion dollar corporations that could easily implement some sophisticated system if they so desire, but don't. If they aren't doing it, do you really expect a community of individuals to do so, or even a much smaller company like Square Enix?

The reality is, kids, teens, etc will always lie and get into stuff they shouldn't be, especially in this day and age. Trying to police such things would be a huge invasion of privacy bordering on 1984 territory, or be totally ineffective at their job. With how easy it is to get access to 18+ materials in literally 5 seconds with Google, it's entirely on the parents to be the dam that prevents their kids from seeing or experiencing things that the parent doesn't desire for them to be seeing or interacting with. Adults will be Adults, and adult activities will always occur in any online social setting, even if it's behind closed doors. If something arises, then the courts deal with it, but it's still equally a failure on the parent for letting their kid reach the point where something did arise.

When I look after my nephew, I have a remote connection window open on my computer that lets me monitor his website choices and make sure he's not up to anything suspicious. If he ever gets involved with an Adult, it's certainly not on my watch.

I also like how you say 'real' roleplay.

act out or perform the part of a person or character, for example as a technique in training or psychotherapy. - definition of roleplay, Google, 2021.

ERP seems like pretty real roleplay, acting out the role of another person or character, only in ways that you don't like; yet the character interactions are still as real as adventure RP. Or are you trying to imply that characters in fiction never do the dirty deed? Next you're gonna tell me Erotic Novels aren't real books compared to the grand fantasy adventures of Harry Potter or Lord of the rings, despite Erotica taking up an entire shelf at my local Barnes & Noble.

[Awha]

The last part is not going to work that way in most places. If something happen and authorities get involved the adult is the one responsible, no matter if the child lies or whatever.

As mentioned I said it should but yeah that is not how it is. Point remains remains that parents should be more active in monitoring what their children do online. Though the reality is the grounds of what do people expect parents to do is a valid stance for many but when the same is said regarding people online at that point it is wrong.

Sort of strange how strangers have more responsibilities towards the actions of a child in certain context then the parents.

[Zsolen]

Legit what could be done regarding minors and ERP? Not like photoshopping an ID is difficult or simplying lying about ones age. I would not say it is stone wall behavior more so what do people expect others to do? The burden should be on the parents to watch their kids not the other way around.

You are legally and morally responsible. It's not a game player responsibility, since the devs don't even want players ERPing. It is an adult responsibility.

Also a teen getting onto an adult website by lying is not the same as someone EEPing with a teen directly.

[Kuroka]

It's not a game player responsibility, since the devs don't even want players ERPing.

....*looks at lala /playdead* *looks at some poses/dances* *looks at some npc/dialogues*...

Sure, totally not lol

[Awha]

You are legally and morally responsible. It's not a game player responsibility, since the devs don't even want players ERPing. It is an adult responsibility.

Also a teen getting onto an adult website by lying is not the same as someone EEPing with a teen directly.

Question remains in what way can a person be a 100% certain? I do not ERP but I am drawing a blank as to what could honestly be done on a personal level to prevent minors from partaking in ERP.

Unless you are saying we should all have to create a accounts using SSN or something along those lines?

As mentioned it is not stonewalling more so what can be done? I get it is rough but it should go both ways in terms of responsibility not just on one party.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

....*looks at lala /playdead* *looks at some poses/dances* *looks at some npc/dialogues*...

Sure, totally not lol

*Looks at the actual in-game courtesan NPCs*

Sure, Square may not officially sanction ERPing, but if one is to RP in Eorzea, the adult life is very much a thing established by in-lore precedent lol.

[Zsolen]

Question remains in what way can a person be a 100% certain? I do not ERP but I am drawing a blank as to what could honestly be done on a personal level to prevent minors from partaking in ERP.

Unless you are saying we should all have to create a accounts using SSN or something along those lines?

As mentioned it is not stonewalling more so what can be done? I get it is rough but it should go both ways in terms of responsibility not just on one party.

That's the thing. If you cannot be certain, then you should not be doing it. That is why it is a stonewall. You can take measures. You just don't want to do so, so you claim nothing can be done about it.

There is something I have said in another thread, and I will say something similar here. If the idea that you couldn't know if the person you were ERPing with was an adult or not does not make your skin crawl, that is a red flag.

Also mentions of sexual activity in game is not the same thing as actual sexual activity.

[jameseoakes]

Question remains in what way can a person be a 100% certain? I do not ERP but I am drawing a blank as to what could honestly be done on a personal level to prevent minors from partaking in ERP.

Unless you are saying we should all have to create a accounts using SSN or something along those lines?

As mentioned it is not stonewalling more so what can be done? I get it is rough but it should go both ways in terms of responsibility not just on one party.

The ToS have made it clear that minors can play this game and that by agreeing to the ToS will behave with this in mind so you should not be ERPing in this game at all.

[Goji1639]

People have claimed in the past that you cannot tell who is a minor in ERP, when people asked what ERPers can do to prevent accidental interactions with a minor. It's basically a stonewall people put up saying 'nope, we won't do it and we don't care if minors get involved.' It's the stonewall behavior that creates the tension.

Those dating apps exist for the purpose of being a dating service. FFXIV does not exist as a dating service or a porn game. That is not the intended purpose. Real roleplay, adventuring, exploring, raiding, pvping,* crafting, gathering, decorating, glamouring, etc... there are so many thing FFXIV is a game for.

If minors lie about their age to engage in online activities they're not supposed to that's not our problem as a community, the ENTIRETY of the responsibility for that rests with the parents of that minor. As a community we're only ethically obligated to address elements that are SPECIFICALLY targeting children.

FFXIV exists as a roleplaying experience. ERP and ALL mods are a natural extension of that, but I'm not even saying that SE has to allow any of it. If people participate in these things and get caught then any ban is justified, but morally it's no different than using a parser. Just be quiet about it.

[jameseoakes]

If minors lie about their age to engage in online activities they're not supposed that's not our problem as a community, the ENTIRETY of the responsibility for that rests with the parents of that minor. As a community we're only morally obligated to remove elements from any community that are SPECIFICALLY targeting children.

FFXIV exists as a roleplaying experience. ERP and ALL mods are a natural extension of that, but I'm not even saying that SE has to allow any of it. If people participate in these things and get caught then any ban is justified, but morally it's no different than using a parser. Just be quiet about it.

The game and devs have made it very clear you should not engaging in ERP as players might be minors it rests entirely on the player.
It's very different to a parse as you could be doing some very illegal unless you know the person you are doing it with