Asmongold on NSFW mods

[Axxion]

Many of us are well aware of the horrors that exist in the world, actually - which is precisely why we fight against such things.

I could write a lot of words in response to the disgusting attempts to deflect blame onto the victims, but very few of them would be appropriate for this forum.

What I will say, however, is that it a common and unfortunate tactic for abusers to attempt to shed any and all responsibility on both a direct and indirect level. I'm sure anybody who has survived abuse themselves, though, happens to be well aware of the way in which charm, gaslighting, deflection, manipulation, mockery and all sorts of other weapons are deployed against those who speak up or speak out.

sadly to say you are fighting on the wrong platform if you want things to change

[Lenivy]

sadly to say you are fighting on the wrong platform if you want things to change

Thats quite normal, its about dominating your "forum adversary", not to actualy help anybody real. SJWs did that since they started to exist on netspace.
Victimize some group to insane levels, then grind and maul anybody who does not agree, no matter the reality.

[Caurcas]

The adult player for engaging in such acts without realizing the responsibility they have not to do such things in a space in which they might encounter a underage player.

[Caitlyn]

The adult player for engaging in such acts without realizing the responsibility they have not to do such things in a space in which they might encounter a underage player.

Well, then judge yourself, too. You re entering dungeons with potential minors or children without asking them if they are actually old enough to play this game. Its like building a sand castle on a playground with someone else's children. Tell me, thats not creepy... .

[Goji1639]

The adult player for engaging in such acts without realizing the responsibility they have not to do such things in a space in which they might encounter a underage player.

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

[kaynide]

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

Similarly, real life interactions at like.. a baseball game or camp site aren't "rated" by anyone either, that doesn't mean everyone has license to go full perv when it suits them.

At camp, kids might see some adult behavior or hear some language...heck the guys in the next tent over might even be getting in on...but if they wanna go swim in the pool for an hour or two the first thing I think about should not be "oh man I hope some older perv doesn't try to touch my kids".

Like I'm saying with camp- it doesn't mean there can't be adult goings on...but it is the adult's responsibility to check they are engaging with an adult 100%. Ignorance is no excuse and "I didn't know he was a boy.. or that he was 13" would not hold up in any court of law.

[Goji1639]

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

Similarly, real life interactions at like.. a baseball game or camp site aren't "rated" by anyone either, that doesn't mean everyone has license to go full perv when it suits them.

At camp, kids might see some adult behavior or hear some language...heck the guys in the next tent over might even be getting in on...but if they wanna go swim in the pool for an hour or two the first thing I think about should not be "oh man I hope some older perv doesn't try to touch my kids".

Like I'm saying with camp- it doesn't mean there can't be adult goings on...but it is the adult's responsibility to check they are engaging with an adult 100%. Ignorance is no excuse and "I didn't know he was a boy.. or that he was 13" would not hold up in any court of law.

The ratings board doesn't deem the online elements acceptable for your kid, though; it's literally stated on the rating that it doesn't apply to online interactions. It's your choice to ignore that and not supervise your kid, and then scream "NOT MY FAULT; GAME SAID T!" if something goes wrong. You're just making excuses to be a lazy parent.

Online isn't baseball or camp; you can't see who you're interacting with. There's no reasonable way to know if someone is lying, so you're not legally responsible for knowing if someone is lying. It's perfectly reasonable to expect parents to watch their kids, though; so your kids are actually your responsibility... Crazy concept, right?

[Awha]

The ratings board doesn't deem the online elements acceptable for your kid, though; it's literally stated on the rating that it doesn't apply to online interactions. It's your choice to ignore that and not supervise your kid, and then scream "NOT MY FAULT; GAME SAID T!" if something goes wrong. You're just making excuses to be a lazy parent.

Online isn't baseball or camp; you can't see who you're interacting with. There's no reasonable way to know if someone is lying, so you're not legally responsible for knowing if someone is lying. It's perfectly reasonable to expect parents to watch their kids, though; so your kids are actually your responsibility... Crazy concept, right?

Shh parents use video games as baby sitters do not burst their bubble.

[Ranaku]

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

A) Yes, there is something called laws and yes they even count online. Even if a parent doesn't watch his kids, if a kiddo gets molested there is a good chance that the molester gets a visit by the police.

B) What i read here is "Crimes happen all the time so they are alright and we should do nothing and everyone should just feel good about themself ducking that underaged person in the quicksand."

You are NOT and i repeat myself just to be clear >NOT< above the law just cause you do shit online. Your intentions doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the parents do. If you do stuff that is against the law none of these feble excuses you spit out here will protect you in front of a judge.

The amount of degeneracy in your posts is unbelievable.

[Goji1639]

A) Yes, there is something called laws and yes they even count online. Even if a parent doesn't watch his kids, if a kiddo gets molested there is a good chance that the molester gets a visit by the police.

B) What i read here is "Crimes happen all the time so they are alright and we should do nothing and everyone should just feel good about themself ducking that underaged person in the quicksand."

You are NOT and i repeat myself just to be clear >NOT< above the law just cause you do shit online. Your intentions doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the parents do. If you do stuff that is against the law none of these feble excuses you spit out here will protect you in front of a judge.

The amount of degeneracy in your posts is unbelievable.

A) If the minor is pretending to be of age, and you have no reasonable way to know he's lying, it's not against the law to have an explicit conversation with him online.

B) It's only a crime if the ERP community KNOWS they're interacting with minors. If they don't know they didn't do anything wrong; that's not my opinion that's the actual legality of the situation.

You don't know the law, so quit making it the crux of your position here.

What's against the law is KNOWINGLY soliciting minors, and not a single person here has indicated that they're ok with that.