Asmongold on NSFW mods

[testname]

So if there is a minor abused and killed in some crime/fantasy books, the books should be burned?

That would explain mass burn of books in Nazi and China, they were just trying to “burn the bad”

LMAO

[Caurcas]

So if there is a minor abused and killed in some crime/fantasy books, the books should be burned?

That would explain mass burn of books in Nazi and China, they were just trying to “burn the bad”

LMAO

Written word is not visual depiction. The two are vastly different.

[Xasapis]

A digital drawing or model is not a real person either.
Sometimes it feels as if people can't tell the difference between a movie and a documentary.

Btw, this whole thread conflating two entirely different issues is interesting, since different people argue different arguments. From the title it would seem the main issue would be the exposure of NSFW mods to a wider audience. But since most of the people in this thread don't find it that big of a deal, they try to reinforce their argument with the ultra extreme tangent of naked lalas. Since most people don't care about naked lalas (in the same manner noone cares about naked dogs), an even more extreme tangent is pushed that tries to correlate lalas to children.

In it's core, a lala is a virtual doll. It's a doll designed for grown women to play dress up and relive their childhood. It's also a means for grown men to indulge themselves in doll playing, under no society pressure that discouraged them from playing with dolls. Normal people don't have any particular emotional reaction if they happen to see a naked doll. And in the ultra extreme (and unlike case) where any pedophile is attracted to virtual dolls, good for him/her, if they can control their vice by going after something that isn't even real.

[DreadCrow]

People need to realize, there's absolutely not real way for SE to effectively ban mods.

Even if they updated the launcher to scan your game folder (which no one one should honestly want them to do), the best they could do is temporarily ban them with each major patch. Since no matter what the do, the mod developers will find a way around it.

[Rinhi]

A digital drawing or model is not a real person either.
Sometimes it feels as if people can't tell the difference between a movie and a documentary.

Btw, this whole thread conflating two entirely different issues is interesting, since different people argue different arguments. From the title it would seem the main issue would be the exposure of NSFW mods to a wider audience. But since most of the people in this thread don't find it that big of a deal, they try to reinforce their argument with the ultra extreme tangent of naked lalas.

I thought it was about people understandably not being a fan of NSFW mods and art featuring underage characters, either through moral reasons (valid) and/or also legal reasons, with some of them equating lalafell to children or at least visually child-like as well because again, some countries have laws against those things, too
it's sad that it's impossible to properly discuss issues like this because either side will just needlessly strawman and attack each other, or bring up unrelated issues, instead of at least trying to stay civil and agree to disagree instead of going at each other's throats

[Xasapis]

At some point it was derailed to be that way by some people, yes. But the original discussion was about the video itself, where for anyone that watched it, there is zero mention of lalafel or specific NSFW mods, apart from verifying their existence. Then people on this forum started throwing potatoes into the blender and the whole thing became a pointless mess.

For my personal derailment effort, I'd like all Lalas to be replaced by Tera's Castanics. Au'ra simply don't cut it in the sensual department. Then again one is half demon and the other half lizard.

[SenorPatty]

It could be the 15 mins of fame effect but I'm surprised that a nsfw modder would go on record about it on YouTube. I guess the confidence to speak openly about it relies on the unsaid fact that SE only bans in-game with reports but...

Why test those waters so needlessly? Modding has been given a big no-no since this game's inception. Why risk turning this into a self-fulfilling prophecy just because you've been given some celebrity exposure? Smh.

[HeyMcFly]

NSFW mod users intend to ruin the hush-hush modding community in XIV
It's a select, very toxic group who use NSFW mods
Bad apples ruin the bunch mentality essentially.

As far as normal mods go- People use mods due to the lack of cosmetic content the game offers. Cosmetic content such as beards/ more viera hairstyles/ stubble/ body hair/ curly hair/ long hair etc- things people have asked for for years from Yoshi-P & his team & alot of them feel all but ignored.

[testname]

Written word is not visual depiction. The two are vastly different.

But in those books were pictures of woman and minions and all books were burned, you see?

[AngelCheese77]

Asmongold recently did a interview with someone on nsfw mods and lewd gposing.
If I remember right yoshi said this can be serious trouble for FFXIV because someone could look at a post of a lewd image of a lalafell or the twins/ ryne and learn its from FFXIV and this is what the game could show.

You think after this interview SE is gonna double down on bans? Seeing as asmon is one of the biggest MMO streamers its not hard to think a SE employee or two was watching.

I can understand the concern. But there are a few things to keep in mind.

1. If you don't have your in game name attached to your pictures or your Twitter/where you post the pics, SE can't do anything.
2. The only people who can see the NSFW mods are those that installed it.

Now, I've had this happen to me. On another server I had a female character with a particular outfit on. Someone in my FC had a NSFW mod that would take the top from that outfit and make their male character look shirtless. But for females, it made them topless. That FC member proceeded to take a screenshot of my female character in this way and show me.

It was eyeroll inducing and kinda cringey, but nothing I could do about it. Only they and anyone who had that mod saw that.

Hopefully something is done about the problem. I used to really enjoy role-play and yet ended up quitting as a consequence of repeated unwanted advances on both an IC and OOC front. (IC = In Character, OOC = Out Of Character).

Worse yet, more often than not nobody involved bothered to even ask my age at the time. Which should set off all sorts of red flags.

A lot of people have become pretty brazen about it, too. I can't look through the FFXIV hashtag on Twitter without seeing it and a number of role-players on Balmung and Mateus have explicit links in their character's search info.

RPing has zero to do with this. Seems to be your answer to everything I've noticed. This is about mods to characters, not you in general. You =/= your pixel chracter.

Nothing needs to be done about it. If this is how people enjoy spending time. That is ok. RP is about freedom, and shape by the community. This game has some pretty dark tones when it comes to this type of stuff anyway.


Why do people want to go after others fun? It is pixels and not real. If it goes OOC just turn it down and be flattered or something. Are we really going to gate keep peoples way of rp and having fun? SE can't do a thing about these mods. And if you don't like this sort of thing. Than leave the people alone that do.

My husband and I don't rp, but we enjoy it when we see it because we treat them like npcs that make the world feel more immersive. That is it, what they do behind closed doors just like real life is no concern of mine, and I don't want to ruin it.

Again, nothing to do with RP.

I agree if people want to get those NSFW mods, go ahead. I could care less.

The issue is this.

Using those NSFW mods on pixel characters owned by a company (SE) w/o their permission, and posted on the internet. That's it. It has nothing to do with you or me IRL.

I guarantee you there is at least one person on every server that has mods for their character of some kind, and can see your character in a different way. Not all mods are NSFW. Some give longer hair, permanent long nails, more body hair, bigger butts, etc.

It is a crime in many countries to engage in inappropriate activity with minors.

Furthermore, just because the game happens to touch upon darker themes from time to time that is accounted for in the age ratings and is carefully controlled as to not be extremely disturbing or revolting.

There's nothing stopping people from engaging in regular role-play. I don't think people should be perpetuating the falsehood that ERP is acceptable and will not risk the integrity of an account if caught, though.

Can you please explain how this relates to NSFW mods? Not the player behind the pixel character.