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  1. #21
    Player TroySoFab's Avatar
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    Troy La'fabulous
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    IIRC this idea was floated around before when Hall of the Novice was first introduced. As you could expect such an idea was warmly welcomed here /s. But I think with the sharp increase in new players, revisiting this discussion is relevant.
    Personally I have always thought that some kind of basic tutorial was necessary and should be mandatory for players to progress. While Hall of the Novice might be bare bones, it is something that can help teach. Its clear that the introductory dungeons do not help, with the plethora of sprout players who still have no clue what they are doing at higher levels. I also think that adding more steps to Hall of the Novice would help. At the very least have a couple mandatory halls that go up to level 50 or 60.
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Skiros View Post
    The game should force you to complete the trials before you continue on to Sastasha. People think Hall of the Novice is insufficient but there are new players right now that literally don't even know how to build aggro (because they don't know about tank stance) or to dodge out of gigantic and slow-casting AoEs in a Lv 20-30 dungeon.

    I'm sorry to say but if they fail to even attempt to dodge literally every AoE through an entire dungeon they have no business continuing on with the game. At the very least Hall of the Novice won't let you complete the trial if you fail to dodge AoEs. I do not know how some of these players reached a Lv30 or 40 dungeon.

    Keeping aggro, dodging AoEs, and knowing how to click on a tank and heal them. These should be mandatory skills before they even enter Sastasha. I've already had multiple encounters where such skills are missing and we literally cannot even progress in something like Haukke Manor without a kick.
    Once upon a time, Blizzard decided that all players would need to get Silver in Proving Grounds before they would be allowed to queue for Heroic dungeons. If they could get Silver, then they would do well in Jeroic dungeons and there would be fewer complaints about bad players.

    Except many still didn't do well in Heroic dungeons despite clearly having made it through Silver on Proving Grounds.

    Making Hall of Novice a mandatory requirement won't accomplish anything other than annoy players who already understand the basics. People who don't care will do the minimum necessary to get past whatever is gatekeeping then go back to not caring.
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  3. #23
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    Mostly_Raxus's Avatar
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    how about help new players out instead of forcing unwanted content down their throats.

    try having some understanding that new players will be bad at first instead of complaining about the precious time you are already wasting on a video game.
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    As several other posters have pointed out, the Hall of the Novice will need to be updated in order to teach players the basic dungeon skills needed by their roles. Currently, it's more an opportunity to get great low level gear than anything else.

    Personally, I'd love for there to be tiers of difficulty (Normal, Hard, Extreme, and Nightmare) with appropriate rewards to prepare individuals for the challenges ahead. I wouldn't make any of the Halls of Novice mandatory. Instead, I'd let the rewards be the motivation.

    People hate gates but will readily jump through hoops of fire for goodies.
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    wereotter's Avatar
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    This again?

    This is possibly the 4th time we've had this thread I can think of. Couldn't be bothered to go find an old one to raise from the dead? No wait... what's a different forum troll.
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