10k heal on a 60 second cooldown. Really Devs?

[wereotter]

Dancer is BY FAR the most mobile job in the game. If you're not near your dance partner when you want to use your curing waltz, that's on you. Only real exception is if you're having to handle a savage raid mechanic, in which case the healers on your team would be aware of this and help you keep your health up without the need for curing waltz.

[SweetPete]

Did you perhaps expected a cure III?

DNC is a DPS, not a healer or a Blue mage. Healing abilities on other role than Healers are meant to complete the survivability of the party, not replace it.
If it could heal half the health of your party it would be too strong.

I do not expect a cure III. Your argument is invalid because Paladin has a heal and so does red mage and they are a tank and dps. Dancer is a dps/buffer job. I am not even asking for a spam heal but just a bit more powerful heal to equate the long cooldown. If healers die which they do often and I am doing well you think I should just die because they did? I am not even talking about savage and tea. Just regular raids like the nier ones. Both healers die and other alliance healers/rezzers are maybe a little to busy to help rez my healers. You saying I need to just die to an aoe because my self heal is way to weak. Come on, use your head.

[SweetPete]

FFXI DNC can heal using TP
Curing waltz 1,2,3,4,5
Divine Waltz 1,2 ( AoE heals)
And Healing Waltz ( esuna)

To be honest, dancer is what got me into FFXI and i love the job there, A DD who can not only dps and debuff, but can heal if needed

My point im trying to get that it of probably a left over from FFXI to make it have something but...ffxiv is too "Holy Trinity" for it to really to have a constant, good heal

Just like i wish FFXIV red mage had more healing abilities, sadly this game ( ffxiv) is heavily balance in mind, so jobs can't really do anything unique without being unbalance even the slightest.

I feel you op

Thank you. Some of these people just don't get it. I'm not even asking for a spam heal. Just a bit stronger heal to accommodate the long cd it's on. 10k is very bad.

[SweetPete]

A strong heal on just one DPS would absolutely impact the balance of the game, as that one job would have so much more utility than others. Raids wouldn't accept any other Ranged because of that.

Your comment makes no sense at all. Dancer doesn't have the damage a machinist does nor aoe song 100% uptime utility as a bard. A stronger heal will not impact the ranged role. Come on now lol.

[Eclipse12187]

Entire group stacked up for aoe heals, curing waltz from both the dancer and their partner crits healing the entire group for 40k, my assize comes off cooldown, extra 40k healing. Oh look that healed the entirety of a raidwide lemme just glare for another 2 minutes before the next stack raidwide.

[ssunny2008]

Entire group stacked up for aoe heals, curing waltz from both the dancer and their partner crits healing the entire group for 40k, my assize comes off cooldown, extra 40k healing. Oh look that healed the entirety of a raidwide lemme just glare for another 2 minutes before the next stack raidwide.

So casting an extra GCD heal to glare the next 1min and 58s is better imo?

[Liam_Harper]

Waltz is a perfectly fine ability. It's a supplemental heal that rewards good timing (using it after a stack or shared mechanic) and/or group coordination. 10k might sound small, but when doubled with your dance partner it's basically a free Indom or Assize worth and even more healing than Rapture or Medica. Unlike Clemency or Vercure, Waltz costs no resources or even a GCD. Good DNC's in Savage can get anywhere from 300k to over half a million total raid healing from Waltz over a fight. It's not the devs fault if you aren't using it right.

E4S for was cleared (when it was current content!) with a Paladin, Warrior, Dancer and 5 Summoners.
That shouldn't really be possible, and it completely invalidates the healer role

This is a huge exaggeration. A tiny, tiny handful of amazing players (less than 0.1%) who know a fight perfectly and managed to beat it without a healer does not "completely invalidate" the healer role. For nearly the entire playerbase, the current heals that dps have don't affect the game in the slightest and are perfectly fine.

[Eclipse12187]

So casting an extra GCD heal to glare the next 1min and 58s is better imo?

All I’m saying is that the heal from it is significant as it is and does not need to be buffed. It’s a hell of a lot more potent than schs 10 gauge aoe heal. Healer gameplay has its own set of issues and buffing curing waltz to satisfy someone’s support dps fantasy makes my job more glare presses. Make it more potent and I wouldn’t even need to use that aoe. all raid damage is predictable once you’ve done the fights enough, the only time a fight is “engaging” to me as a healer is when I’m learning it or teaching new players as they’ll give me more opportunities to well… heal.

[Equitable_Remedy]

I would gladly replace Hyoton—a completely useless ability—with a heal.

Even better, replace it with a rez.

[Jirah]

I disagree. A strong heal wouldn't impact anything other than fun anyway. I love supporting my healers during dungeons. Especially with an inexperienced group, where dancers feel like sad clowns from my limited experience.

I disagree, we all have roles to play and DPS isnt a healer nor should i substitute one if it did do as much as cure III it would be on a even longer cd 90/120/180 and than u start to wonder whats the point. its fine as is people just want thier job to do everything