Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

The SCH in TPS placed markers down during downtime/Alex burn when he literally had nothing else to do. All Paisley did was safe him tedium of doing that every single pull; of which they were doing several hundred. They didn't auto position during mechanics.

They actually did auto-position based on the mechanic, iirc. It wasn't just saving him the tedium of placing them, Paisley had a serious threat to future raid design.

Take a look at Timestop, Wormhole & the beginning of the transition to perfect in their clear video. You'll see all 5-6 markers adjust within <1s very blatantly, something no human could do. The only time Kio ever put down waymarkers manually was for the trines and that was it. Even then, it was only a single waymark to indicate the end point; which is why Square destroyed waymarking mid combat. TPS created a dangerous precedent in future raid design where Paisley could immensely lessen the difficulty of encounters by having dynamic waymarkers that could change in an instant, even in the middle of a mechanic.

Could you imagine something like Basic, Intermediate or Advanced relativity, only you get assigned a waymark at the beginning of the fight and then you just go to all the places it pops up during the mechanic to auto win without even having to think about positioning? Paisley's use in TPS was just the surface of what it could do, hence why Square saw the need to break it before it spiraled out of control.

[ForteNightshade]

They actually did auto-position based on the mechanic, iirc. It wasn't just saving him the tedium of placing them, Paisley had a serious threat to future raid design.

No, they didn't because Paisey literally can't. It was a program that only saved an infinite set of preset marker placements you needed to alt tab to press. The markers didn't place themselves based on a mechanic happening. Which is what I was replying to. Kio did originally do the marker placement for their prog but switched to Paisey to save himself having to redo it every pull. The whole markers switching based on specific mechanics happened later with Trig. And it was mostly used for Trine placements and Dragon Dives in UCoB.

The markers move instantly, yes. But not based on a mechanic automating that movement. Kio has to alt-tab or has keybound a preset. Obviously, doing this manually takes longer but the point being made is it doesn't change anything for TPS because when Kio did marker placement himself, he just set them up during the Alex burn phase in-between smacking Alexander. In other words, it changed absolutely nothing for them. He's said as much himself. Rin Karigani used to do the same in UCoB; weave markers in-between his rotation as the off-tank.

Could you imagine something like Basic, Intermediate or Advanced relativity, only you get assigned a waymark at the beginning of the fight and then you just go to all the places it pops up during the mechanic to auto win without even having to think about positioning? Paisley's use in TPS was just the surface of what it could do, hence why Square saw the need to break it before it spiraled out of control.

No... because that isn't how the program worked. It can't just keep changing marker placements per debuff timer for Advanced Relativity. It's just a preset system. Now if someone saved a whole set of markers and kept alt-tabbing to move them between each debuff going out, then sure, it's feasible. But that's more likely to cause confusion that make it easier.

[redheadturk]

The only time, IME, that SE will ban a streamer isn't over ACT use in and of itself. The last few bans that I personally have heard about were #1 for use of a mod that gave aoe markers to untelegraphed mechanics during TEA, #2 someone using the Ungermax exploit outside of Squadrons to clear difficult content, #3 a few streamers using ACT and harassing teammates over their dps, and even in that case it wasn't ACT itself that was the issue, but the harassment.

[Canadane]

Disgusting? What's the need for such word?

Well, my disgust really.

[Yvresse]

The current iteration is perfect as is.
I am ex WoW player, and new to FFXIV.
No built in DPS meter = No kicking people for not being 'leet'

So that means you have an optional overlay, that uses the game data already found in the damage logs, to calculate something for you. You could calculate it yourself as well, this just makes it easier.
That way you can actually know, how much damage you are doing, and quantify it vs how much damage you are doing after certain gear upgrades.

This way the game prioritizes fun and not maximum numbers, but players who want to actually delve into the number crunching, can do so. And if you don't wanna use any overlay, nobody can make you - in fact if someone harass you, they will get into trouble. So you have no fears about that.

[Kandraxx]

Honestly, the addon that consolidates combos is the single best thing out there.

There is no excuse, for it not to be standard behavior in the first place. There is no thought process and no decisions involved with the melee combos. There is no situation, where you would want to hit the same button again, or skip 2 and go to straight to 3 in the 1-2-3 combos.

It doesn’t matter if I sort the buttons to 123 or ERT or whatever layout you use, instead of just hitting 111 or E E E. There is not a single ounce of skill floor or skill ceiling involved, but it stops my hand from tiring and aching.

It’s the same as if I gave you a super mario bros 1, but with 3 buttons for jump instead one and only one of them works at a time in a linear fashion. It wouldn’t add any depth or difficulty to the game at all.

[Izscha]

Honestly, the addon that consolidates combos is the single best thing out there.

There is no excuse, for it not to be standard behavior in the first place. There is no thought process and no decisions involved with the melee combos. There is no situation, where you would want to hit the same button again, or skip 2 and go to straight to 3 in the 1-2-3 combos.

It doesn’t matter if I sort the buttons to 123 or ERT or whatever layout you use, instead of just hitting 111 or E E E. There is not a single ounce of skill floor or skill ceiling involved, but it stops my hand from tiring and aching.

There is a reason it's that way, it's not based on what you want, but what you do press that matters and you can drop it because everyone can fails.
That's like saying why bother doing combos in fighting games you just have to press one button to do the same, and yeah in certain games the 1111 version do exist, but it does less damage because it's braindead to do and you reward the players that do the same combos but the regular way.
Removing it with mods is cheating, if you're fine with cheating good for you, but dont try to make it look like it's legit.
And dont say that you do NEVER drop the 1-2-3, it would be a blatant lie.

[Kewitt]

SE has stated they will use 3rd party evidence to ban people in the recent updates.
That being said if a stream gets enough of a profile and is cheating/uses 3rd party tools SE will take note.

That being said 100 people watching the last stream I saw someone setting up ACT to customizer their bars isn't worth banning over because it's bring in views.
Now if you saw someone with 2k views SE may start taking note.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Honestly, the addon that consolidates combos is the single best thing out there.

There is no excuse, for it not to be standard behavior in the first place. There is no thought process and no decisions involved with the melee combos. There is no situation, where you would want to hit the same button again, or skip 2 and go to straight to 3 in the 1-2-3 combos.

It doesn’t matter if I sort the buttons to 123 or ERT or whatever layout you use, instead of just hitting 111 or E E E. There is not a single ounce of skill floor or skill ceiling involved, but it stops my hand from tiring and aching.

It’s the same as if I gave you a super mario bros 1, but with 3 buttons for jump instead one and only one of them works at a time in a linear fashion. It wouldn’t add any depth or difficulty to the game at all.

Dragoon has two different combos that both start with the same "1".
Samurai has three different combos that start with the same "1".
Ninja has an alternate "3".
MNK has 3 sets of 3, multiple ways to change the order, and boiling it down to what you're describing would absolutely destroy the job.

If you play melee only by hitting "1...2...3" you're playing it wrong.

[Izscha]

Dragoon has two different combos that both start with the same "1".
Samurai has three different combos that start with the same "1".
Ninja has an alternate "3".
MNK has 3 sets of 3, multiple ways to change the order, and boiling it down to what you're describing would absolutely destroy the job.

If you play melee only by hitting "1...2...3" you're playing it wrong.

It works for tanks and only tanks, melee dps got more than that sure.
And even as a drk, in stuff like TEA if we got too much dps and are waiting for the P3 to P4 transition i dont need the 3 part, i only 1-2 to build my mana back and start p4 with 10 k.
So even for tanks in certains fights it would be bad to use what he gots.