Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[Avidria]

They've never really been a big part of this games culture.

Add ons are a MASSIVE part of WoWs culture, though, and the WoW community is transitioning to FFXIV in not small numbers. Since there's nothing really stopping the use of add ons in this game, besides some mild inconvenience and an official/unofficial stance against them, I could see a culture shift happening.

Eh, people have been coming here from WoW for years. There's just more folks now.

The difference is that WoW is designed with add-ons in mind, and FFXIV is not.

And, admittedly this is just my personal opinion, WoW's base UI is hot ugly spiced garbage. It's not half as customizable as I'd like, a lot of the defaults just don't look good, and the font scaling options leave a lot to be desired. I have godawful eyesight and had to spend FAR too much time just trying to find an add-on that would change WoW's quest text into something I could read without leaning in and squinting at my screen. I had to get an add-on to make the chat log text bigger too.

I don't have that problem in FF. Partly because the font they use in the quest log is actually readable, but also in large part because it already has a lot of customization and scaling options built in.

Most of my add-ons in WoW weren't even really oriented toward combat at all, outside of the small handful that also make a pretty darn big difference in raiding (even then I only used a handful... Dbm, decursive, and details were all I really needed beyond basic UI stuff). It was mostly cosmetic and fun stuff anyway, like transmog and achievement trackers, rare spawn maps, adding coordinates to the map, etc etc.

I don't use add-ons here because I don't need to.

[_Koneko_]

well op you can pretty much go to any streamer and see act SE should just ban the whole lot of them when they make their tos violation so blatantly obvious that's like filming your self robbing a bank then posting it online and wondering how you got caught

it's not even a violation of your rights as your using their game they are fully within their rights to ban you for media you made public showing you in bold violation of the terms of service

[Izscha]

If you ever want to do raiding / high end content you do need dps meters that's the best tool to improve and see what you're doing wrong.
FF XIV does provide that too with raid / extremes dummies but it's far less efficient than having real numbers obviously, still act / fflogs when you're in mood to learn / improve is an amazing tool and it hurts no one.
Some will use this tool the wrong way but can you blame a compagny that makes hammer if ppl use it wrongly and get hurt ? No you dont, that's ppls fault not the tool.
The devs do know those tools and they do know it's really useful that's why they'll never do something about it.
I did play on ps4 for years, so no ACT and only training dummies to git gud, you can still be good at the game only with those but it lacks way too much stuff if you want to do things perfectly.

I love how some make it like "huh dps meters in MY game ? god no" cool, no one force you to use it anyway, but some wants to be at least decent at the game and it's the best tool for that.

That being said there is some third party tools that are straight up cheating and yeah it's a bad thing for the game overall but that's the price to pay to not have spyware on our PC checking everything, and i'm fine with that i dont mind ppl cheating in PvE content just to flex later, i do stuff the legit way and i enjoy my game that way with ppl with the same mindset as me that's it.
And you do hard content only for you, if you do it to brag that's just sad and shows how insecure you are to flex on that but w/e.

I dont blame ppl modding their game for glamour and housing despite i do hate those parts of the game and cant stand most RP players, still i wont try to shut them down because they use third party tools for their experience and i expect the same with ppl regarding raiding stuff.

Btw they do "shadowban" streamers / youtubers and ppl using ACT, i know few ppl that are blacklisted by SE for a video using third parties.

[Kewitt]

SE has banned people who have posted on youtube videos of 3rd party tools. But it's rare and far between. But if it gets bad enough where it is a clear advantage they will lock down the code.

If a timer goes off to avoid something they have said that crosses the line.
If it is up to put icons in a different place they don't care.

Sadly SE has taken a stance of DADT, Which will sadly blow up in their face at some point.

If you ever want to do raiding / high end content you do need dps meters that's the best tool to improve and see what you're doing wrong.
FF XIV does provide that too with raid / extremes dummies but it's far less efficient than having real numbers obviously, still act / fflogs when you're in mood to learn / improve is an amazing tool and it hurts no one.
Some will use this tool the wrong way but can you blame a compagny that makes hammer if ppl use it wrongly and get hurt ? No you dont, that's ppls fault not the tool.
The devs do know those tools and they do know it's really useful that's why they'll never do something about it.
I did play on ps4 for years, so no ACT and only training dummies to git gud, you can still be good at the game only with those but it lacks way too much stuff if you want to do things perfectly.

I love how some make it like "huh dps meters in MY game ? god no" cool, no one force you to use it anyway, but some wants to be at least decent at the game and it's the best tool for that.

That being said there is some third party tools that are straight up cheating and yeah it's a bad thing for the game overall but that's the price to pay to not have spyware on our PC checking everything, and i'm fine with that i dont mind ppl cheating in PvE content just to flex later, i do stuff the legit way and i enjoy my game that way with ppl with the same mindset as me that's it.
And you do hard content only for you, if you do it to brag that's just sad and shows how insecure you are to flex on that but w/e.

I dont blame ppl modding their game for glamour and housing despite i do hate those parts of the game and cant stand most RP players, still i wont try to shut them down because they use third party tools for their experience and i expect the same with ppl regarding raiding stuff.

Btw they do "shadowban" streamers / youtubers and ppl using ACT, i know few ppl that are blacklisted by SE for a video using third parties.

I very much disagree.
When I had more time. I was doing all EX content as it was current. Never used 3rd party tools.
All the console players that clear it do it without using 3rd party tools.
Just people some people aren't good enough to play without cheating or they need the crunch doesn't mean everyone does.
At one point my raid group had one person who used act, There was also one player who really needed help on how to play he want from bottom DPS just above me as a Warrior. to 2nd DPS by the info the 2 of them worked out.
But I as a warrior knew my job 95%, and my BRD my main DPS I was good with. my WHM I was happy with my over cure numbers/DPS But act didn't help me get there I already was.

[Izscha]

SE has banned people who have posted on youtube videos of 3rd party tools. But it's rare and far between. But if it gets bad enough where it is a clear advantage they will lock down the code.

If a timer goes off to avoid something they have said that crosses the line.
If it is up to put icons in a different place they don't care.

Sadly SE has taken a stance of DADT, Which will sadly blow up in their face at some point.





I very much disagree.
When I had more time. I was doing all EX content as it was current. Never used 3rd party tools.
All the console players that clear it do it without using 3rd party tools.
Just people some people aren't good enough to play without cheating or they need the crunch doesn't mean everyone does.
At one point my raid group had one person who used act, There was also one player who really needed help on how to play he want from bottom DPS just above me as a Warrior. to 2nd DPS by the info the 2 of them worked out.
But I as a warrior knew my job 95%, and my BRD my main DPS I was good with. my WHM I was happy with my over cure numbers/DPS But act didn't help me get there I already was.

Extremes aren't high end content but i do understand where you're coming from to some it might be.
You clearly dont need to play good to do those hence the clear rate and the number of groups doing it in party finder.
But you can't take extremes as exemple when i talk about playing right / be good, those dont need that at all.
I'm not judging you or anything but let's face it extremes aren't hard, at all and that's the first step to do raiding stuff later if you want and think those are easy.
It's a difficulty spike for most ppl because they're not used to have to respect mecanics with dungeons / raid 24 as the only real content before max level, even under gear you can fail mecanics and still be alive no big deal, extremes aren't so soft about it.
And sorry to doubt it, but you cant see by yourself how good you are or not only because you do pass extremes, when i use the word good is ppl that do mecanics right 95 % of the time ( fails do happen no one is perfect ) and do have a good dps at the same time, our difference must be mostly about the definition of good and i'm probably in the wrong here because i judge ppl's skill around content that i do, which is content most ppl dont bother to even try.
Once again i'm not saying that what you do is bad and you're a terrible player, just that we dont do the same stuff and our definition of things aren't the same.

[ForteNightshade]

It isn't overblown. It gave advantages. ACT and Paisley are different. ACT just calculate numbers, Paisley literally helps you perform better by helping you place markers faster, during a mechanic that matters the most.

The SCH in TPS placed markers down during downtime/Alex burn when he literally had nothing else to do. All Paisley did was safe him tedium of doing that every single pull; of which they were doing several hundred. They didn't auto position during mechanics.

[Puremallace]

One thing I always dislike about these types of threads is it assumes Square Enix is staffed by morons blind to everything on Twitch even after issuing multiple statements with more clarification then we have gotten in years.

[Melorie]

This game was made in such a way that add-ons aren't required, and it's kinda disgusting how many new players are thinking that they are the norm when they really aren't.

Disgusting? What's the need for such word? If people come from a game where add-ons are very common, it's not surprising that they would look for stuff like that in ffxiv as well. Tbh I don't care. I don't feel the need of many addons but most of the time it doesn't change anything for me if people are using then so whatever.

[Larirawiel]

Disgusting? What's the need for such word? If people come from a game where add-ons are very common, it's not surprising that they would look for stuff like that in ffxiv as well. Tbh I don't care. I don't feel the need of many addons but most of the time it doesn't change anything for me if people are using then so whatever.

But FF14 hasn't an addon API. There are no real addons possible like in WoW. I see no danger here. But i wished that the UI would be more configurable.

Cheers

[Breakbeat]

I'm not a fan of Addons, far too many people using them, and for what, to tell if they're top dog on the charts/parses?

Nope. To tell whether or not I already own a minion or mount or orchestrion roll at a glance.

That is all. That and text improvement so my old broke-ass eyes can actually read the text.

Think about users like myself when you formulate your opinion about addons, not just the people wanting to be "top dog on the charts."