Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[Penthea]

They've never really been a big part of this games culture.

Add ons are a MASSIVE part of WoWs culture, though, and the WoW community is transitioning to FFXIV in not small numbers. Since there's nothing really stopping the use of add ons in this game, besides some mild inconvenience and an official/unofficial stance against them, I could see a culture shift happening.

I do wish more WoW players would try to use the ui that is given to them instead of going straight to using add-ons. Sure if someone uses the base ui a lot and feels something is missing then go ahead and get it. However I have seen quite a lot who search for add-ons when they barely have started the game, complaining it looks too different to what they're used to...of course it looks different. IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME. I was a hardcore player in WoW and I can use the base ui of FFXIV just fine. All I had to do was get used to a new game. It's not complicated.

The worst is when I see someone who has add-ons that actively hide important things in the ui. I saw an ex-WoW player streaming and their ui was set up in a way that they could only see three buffs/debuffs on each party member...if they ever heal they will quickly find out what a terrible idea that is. Sigh. I saw someone else hide their enemy list and then complain that they can't see the castbars of anything that isn't their target lol.

I just want players to give the ui a chance and give themselves a chance to get used to it instead of immediately thinking something is wrong with it for the simple fact that it looks different.

[ForteNightshade]

If I recall correctly there was also a tool at the start of Shadowbringers that automatically placed markers for safe spots from certain mechanics that people were using to basically trivialize content by having a tool read the game for you and tell you what to do, and they ended up patching that out by not letting you update markers after the start of a fight

Not quite. Paisley Park is the tool in question that got so much attention. It didn't automatically place markers but rather could save an unlimited number of presets that you could then alt-tab to and swap placements. The backlash it received was honestly ridiculously overblown because it didn't impact TPS' World First clear in the slightest. All it did was save the SCH having to replace markers constantly, which they did during downtime anyway.

Now there were other programs that could auto place markers but Paisley is what caused the backlash.

[Khancer]

I don't care about graphical mods but there are an increasing number of youtubers who promote the use of gameplay altering modifications and SE does nothing about it, which imo tacitly approves their use for everyone.

[VippidyP]

There are people who don't use addons?

[KageTokage]

I don't care about graphical mods but there are an increasing number of youtubers who promote the use of gameplay altering modifications and SE does nothing about it, which imo tacitly approves their use for everyone.

I'm going to assume you're talking about those "ping correction" mods that alter/reduce the delay between actions in order to simulate how fast you could be doing stuff with an optimal ping.

While it's technically operating within legitimate boundaries, it can very easily can be used to go beyond what is actually possible with an unmodded client, so yeah, stuff like that shouldn't be allowed to slide.

[Packetdancer]

Not quite. Paisley Park is the tool in question that got so much attention. It didn't automatically place markers but rather could save an unlimited number of presets that you could then alt-tab to and swap placements. The backlash it received was honestly ridiculously overblown because it didn't impact TPS' World First clear in the slightest. All it did was save the SCH having to replace markers constantly, which they did during downtime anyway.

Now there were other programs that could auto place markers but Paisley is what caused the backlash.

I think a lot of players conflated the two; when people heard about the add-ons that could automatically place markers *without* player action (I.e. off of automated triggers) and then saw people using a tool that could place markers automatically when a player clicked a preset in a list, they confused the two.

The one that just saved presets was, as I understand it, functionally little different than the five presets they give us in game now... just not limited to five.

[Lihtleita]

do you people want se to see what you have installed on your pc? because this is how you get that

[Arabellez]

Not quite. Paisley Park is the tool in question that got so much attention. It didn't automatically place markers but rather could save an unlimited number of presets that you could then alt-tab to and swap placements. The backlash it received was honestly ridiculously overblown because it didn't impact TPS' World First clear in the slightest. All it did was save the SCH having to replace markers constantly, which they did during downtime anyway.

Now there were other programs that could auto place markers but Paisley is what caused the backlash.

It isn't overblown. It gave advantages. ACT and Paisley are different. ACT just calculate numbers, Paisley literally helps you perform better by helping you place markers faster, during a mechanic that matters the most.

[Canadane]

This game was made in such a way that add-ons aren't required, and it's kinda disgusting how many new players are thinking that they are the norm when they really aren't.

[Karthunk]

There are a ton of Add-ons that make the QoL in the game so much better. People don't install add-ons because they are the norm, they install add-ons to have a better gaming experience.