Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[Caitlyn]

But when you q up for the DF or PF with strangers you have no right to call others out. The point has gone over your head, people will and can and have abused others because they are using these programs and I will remind you they are against the rules.

And what if one player refuses to play properly just for the luls?

Lets say, you re in a 24-man raid and one player just prefers to watch Netflix and wants to get carried. He uses Auto Attacks, sometimes a skill and no one would ever notice.
You re telling me, I have no right to call out those kind of players?

Another example. You re opening a PF for a primal kill. But even with no deaths and no fails, the boss wipe the raid at 2%. Again and again.
Now, you have to choose: Call out the weakspot of the group and replace him (when needed). Or abandon the whole group, because you cant find the issue without a parser.

It should be legit to call out other players, when they dont doing the job properly. "Call outs" shouldnt contain insults, of course.
But I find it way worse if someone troll or hinder the party, than somebody who is talking about some numbers.

I mean can you really argue with the results? Group disbanding is better than taking anger out on each other in game. I rather people not say nothing at all, than throw a hissy fit because your time is wasted. It is not that big of a deal to have a bad group.

It is not. Yes, its a MMORPG. But that doesnt mean, that anyone got the right to waste the time of other people on purpose. If you re not doing your job, you dont deserve your place in your party. Simple.

Group disbanding is worse than kicking out the only person one who is responsible for wasting other peoples time. And thats the case in reality. Any partyfinder will kick you, if you re not doing your job.

So this leaves only people that are clearly not knowing how to play their job and unwilling to learn, just looking to be carried. Maybe its just my experience but such people are rare in EU, and as I understand even more rare in JP.

JP must be a dream. JP players even formed a waiting queue for Raubahn Savage. I cant imagine how raiding must be.

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And what if one player refuses to play properly just for the luls?

Lets say, you re in a 24-man raid and one player just prefers to watch Netflix and wants to get carried. He uses Auto Attacks, sometimes a skill and no one would ever notice.
You re telling me, I have no right to call out those kind of players?

Another example. You re opening a PF for a primal kill. But even with no deaths and no fails, the boss wipe the raid at 2%. Again and again.
Now, you have to choose: Call out the weakspot of the group and replace him (when needed). Or abandon the whole group, because you cant find the issue without a parser.

It should be legit to call out other players, when they dont doing the job properly. "Call outs" shouldnt contain insults, of course.
But I find it way worse if someone troll or hinder the party, than somebody who is talking about some numbers.




It is not. Yes, its a MMORPG. But that doesnt mean, that anyone got the right to waste the time of other people on purpose. If you re not doing your job, you dont deserve your place in your party. Simple.

Group disbanding is worse than kicking out the only person one who is responsible for wasting other peoples time. And thats the case in reality. Any partyfinder will kick you, if you re not doing your job.

Bad apples always happens. It feels like you want the people who wasted your time to be held accountable for it. You are right it is a mmorpg. When you go into a group prebuilt of strangers. That is the risk you took, and if someone wants to play bad in that group. Well within right to do so. That is the risk that balances out how easy it is to make a group. You also have the tools to increase your success chance, if you don't want to take the risk.