Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[Ranaku]

Not to mention that dps meters also existed all these years in XIV. It's not some new thing that is suddenly cropping up everywhere. xD DPS meters etc. where used by the community since the dawn of time (or coil that is) what do you think where all the class guides come from? From players hitting the stupid training dummies with a irl calculator in one hand?

[Skiros]

can mods please nuke this thread

lmao people advertising bots and even the names of those bots. you'd think the bot creators are here trying to low-key advertise them

[Yeol]

Just dont want this game to turn into a bloated plugin addon game like WoW.

Every single argument being made by people, saying it isn't a big deal and it won't affect anything, said the same exact things back then in WoW. And look where it is now.

This game has PlayStation playerbase. It's unlikely that the development team will start designing encounters with addons in mind.

The WoW mentality of every raid member must use addons is not because addons exist, but because their developers acknowledge the use of addons and started designing encounters with it in mind. A patch update in WoW will not break their addons. This is done intentionally.

While FFXIV patch will break all 3rd party addons for about 24~74 hours. A lot of players who clear Savage week 1 do it without addons.

This does not mean that WoW raiders are bad without addons, they are good players. It's just that some addons are a must because of their developer's approach.

[Kolsykol]

I always find it a bit sad when addons like massive raid warnings become normalized so I hope that doesn't happen...
Like the screen going red and a big audio warning telling you that a mechanic is coming and all that, it makes content feel so automated.
Same with addons that essentially make you have to '' play less '' and give you big advantages.

I don't have a problem with ACT and all that but addons that affect gameplay and makes it easier is a big nono imo.
As soon as that becomes normalized it essentially becomes the status quo and you're punished for not using them.

[elvenmad]

As soon as that becomes normalized it essentially becomes the status quo and you're punished for not using them.

I completely agree, Use of addons is going to get out of hand very fast if nothing is done, they are clearly in breech of the ToS, Square need to either allow 3rd party addons OR not, you can't have any "grey" area's, there is no middle ground because that's when you lose control.

I know alot have been in the game for quite a while and have been deliberately ignored, but recently with the big influx of new players and a large number of influential streamers , what alot of players previously did not know about is now becoming common knowledge, some of the new streamers even uploading "addon" guides and even downloads of there own addon's and settings through their Discords

This will eventually get out of hand, and its already started.

I recently joined the game, like 3 or so months ago, came from WoW biggest plus for the game was the no addons policy and everyone equal.

There are players out there openly, streaming using addons that automate skill bonus combo's onto one button, com'on if that's not basically botting and automating gameplay and very clearly against ToS , then the ToS needs a revamp, because it is going to get worse


I am having a blast , fell in love with the game, but recent;y watching some streams of "ex" WoW players to learn boss mechanics and see how they handle boss's as new players too, But straight off the bat I see they are very clearly using game changing 3rd party addons, which very clearly do make a difference is very very sad to see.

[Nyarlha]

There are players out there openly, streaming using addons that automate skill bonus combo's onto one button, com'on if that's not basically botting and automating gameplay and very clearly against ToS , then the ToS needs a revamp, because it is going to get worse

There is ABSOLUTELY no skill difference between pressing 1 2 3 and 1 1 1. It's all muscle memory. This has NOTHING to do with automation, it's still the exact same number of inputs from the player.

[Acece]

For some classes like disc priest they pretty much need things like dbm and big wigs because they're a preemptive healer that needs 15-20 sec of prep and lot of the mechanics are random. Compared to this game where almost nothing is random, preemptive healers don't need timers and such because it's always the same. Like I don't need cactbot or whatever in this game but In wow if I didn't have big wigs it would be impossible to play disc priest.

[Kolsykol]

For some classes like disc priest they pretty much need things like dbm and big wigs because they're a preemptive healer that needs 15-20 sec of prep and lot of the mechanics are random. Compared to this game where almost nothing is random, preemptive healers don't need timers and such because it's always the same. Like I don't need cactbot or whatever in this game but In wow if I didn't have big wigs it would be impossible to play disc priest.

I think this is also just a problem with gameplay addons being normalized in WoW, the devs design the game based on that.
Which further necessitates them.

WoW is kinda just too far gone when it comes to that there's no way to really undo that.
It's not necessarily a bad thing if it works for WoW but at the same time I think that once you start opening up the door for it then it basically just infests every game.
If people can use an addon to make the game easier they will, and if they do then it becomes expected that everyone should and you just gimp yourself by not doing it.
Personally I like how FFXIV is a more '' pure '' experience, you can just install the game and play you don't have to mod your game into hell to '' make it playable ''.

[Caitlyn]

Personally I like how FFXIV is a more '' pure '' experience, you can just install the game and play you don't have to mod your game into hell to '' make it playable ''.

This.

Just install FFXIV and you re ready to go.

But to be honest here, Gshade is a nice addition when taking screenshots and I dont wanna miss it. And the best part: Its allowed to use it : )