Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[Izscha]

If you ever want to do raiding / high end content you do need dps meters that's the best tool to improve and see what you're doing wrong.
FF XIV does provide that too with raid / extremes dummies but it's far less efficient than having real numbers obviously, still act / fflogs when you're in mood to learn / improve is an amazing tool and it hurts no one.
Some will use this tool the wrong way but can you blame a compagny that makes hammer if ppl use it wrongly and get hurt ? No you dont, that's ppls fault not the tool.
The devs do know those tools and they do know it's really useful that's why they'll never do something about it.
I did play on ps4 for years, so no ACT and only training dummies to git gud, you can still be good at the game only with those but it lacks way too much stuff if you want to do things perfectly.

I love how some make it like "huh dps meters in MY game ? god no" cool, no one force you to use it anyway, but some wants to be at least decent at the game and it's the best tool for that.

That being said there is some third party tools that are straight up cheating and yeah it's a bad thing for the game overall but that's the price to pay to not have spyware on our PC checking everything, and i'm fine with that i dont mind ppl cheating in PvE content just to flex later, i do stuff the legit way and i enjoy my game that way with ppl with the same mindset as me that's it.
And you do hard content only for you, if you do it to brag that's just sad and shows how insecure you are to flex on that but w/e.

I dont blame ppl modding their game for glamour and housing despite i do hate those parts of the game and cant stand most RP players, still i wont try to shut them down because they use third party tools for their experience and i expect the same with ppl regarding raiding stuff.

Btw they do "shadowban" streamers / youtubers and ppl using ACT, i know few ppl that are blacklisted by SE for a video using third parties.

[Kewitt]

SE has banned people who have posted on youtube videos of 3rd party tools. But it's rare and far between. But if it gets bad enough where it is a clear advantage they will lock down the code.

If a timer goes off to avoid something they have said that crosses the line.
If it is up to put icons in a different place they don't care.

Sadly SE has taken a stance of DADT, Which will sadly blow up in their face at some point.

If you ever want to do raiding / high end content you do need dps meters that's the best tool to improve and see what you're doing wrong.
FF XIV does provide that too with raid / extremes dummies but it's far less efficient than having real numbers obviously, still act / fflogs when you're in mood to learn / improve is an amazing tool and it hurts no one.
Some will use this tool the wrong way but can you blame a compagny that makes hammer if ppl use it wrongly and get hurt ? No you dont, that's ppls fault not the tool.
The devs do know those tools and they do know it's really useful that's why they'll never do something about it.
I did play on ps4 for years, so no ACT and only training dummies to git gud, you can still be good at the game only with those but it lacks way too much stuff if you want to do things perfectly.

I love how some make it like "huh dps meters in MY game ? god no" cool, no one force you to use it anyway, but some wants to be at least decent at the game and it's the best tool for that.

That being said there is some third party tools that are straight up cheating and yeah it's a bad thing for the game overall but that's the price to pay to not have spyware on our PC checking everything, and i'm fine with that i dont mind ppl cheating in PvE content just to flex later, i do stuff the legit way and i enjoy my game that way with ppl with the same mindset as me that's it.
And you do hard content only for you, if you do it to brag that's just sad and shows how insecure you are to flex on that but w/e.

I dont blame ppl modding their game for glamour and housing despite i do hate those parts of the game and cant stand most RP players, still i wont try to shut them down because they use third party tools for their experience and i expect the same with ppl regarding raiding stuff.

Btw they do "shadowban" streamers / youtubers and ppl using ACT, i know few ppl that are blacklisted by SE for a video using third parties.

I very much disagree.
When I had more time. I was doing all EX content as it was current. Never used 3rd party tools.
All the console players that clear it do it without using 3rd party tools.
Just people some people aren't good enough to play without cheating or they need the crunch doesn't mean everyone does.
At one point my raid group had one person who used act, There was also one player who really needed help on how to play he want from bottom DPS just above me as a Warrior. to 2nd DPS by the info the 2 of them worked out.
But I as a warrior knew my job 95%, and my BRD my main DPS I was good with. my WHM I was happy with my over cure numbers/DPS But act didn't help me get there I already was.

[Izscha]

SE has banned people who have posted on youtube videos of 3rd party tools. But it's rare and far between. But if it gets bad enough where it is a clear advantage they will lock down the code.

If a timer goes off to avoid something they have said that crosses the line.
If it is up to put icons in a different place they don't care.

Sadly SE has taken a stance of DADT, Which will sadly blow up in their face at some point.





I very much disagree.
When I had more time. I was doing all EX content as it was current. Never used 3rd party tools.
All the console players that clear it do it without using 3rd party tools.
Just people some people aren't good enough to play without cheating or they need the crunch doesn't mean everyone does.
At one point my raid group had one person who used act, There was also one player who really needed help on how to play he want from bottom DPS just above me as a Warrior. to 2nd DPS by the info the 2 of them worked out.
But I as a warrior knew my job 95%, and my BRD my main DPS I was good with. my WHM I was happy with my over cure numbers/DPS But act didn't help me get there I already was.

Extremes aren't high end content but i do understand where you're coming from to some it might be.
You clearly dont need to play good to do those hence the clear rate and the number of groups doing it in party finder.
But you can't take extremes as exemple when i talk about playing right / be good, those dont need that at all.
I'm not judging you or anything but let's face it extremes aren't hard, at all and that's the first step to do raiding stuff later if you want and think those are easy.
It's a difficulty spike for most ppl because they're not used to have to respect mecanics with dungeons / raid 24 as the only real content before max level, even under gear you can fail mecanics and still be alive no big deal, extremes aren't so soft about it.
And sorry to doubt it, but you cant see by yourself how good you are or not only because you do pass extremes, when i use the word good is ppl that do mecanics right 95 % of the time ( fails do happen no one is perfect ) and do have a good dps at the same time, our difference must be mostly about the definition of good and i'm probably in the wrong here because i judge ppl's skill around content that i do, which is content most ppl dont bother to even try.
Once again i'm not saying that what you do is bad and you're a terrible player, just that we dont do the same stuff and our definition of things aren't the same.

[FusiaRain]

Look I know noone wants to hear this. However I am going to say it regardless.

You ever think that people choice to use this 3rd party software that for most part is harmless. You can't blame everyone for what few use a tool for.

People overall will always use 3rd party things and mods. You know what who gives a ..... They arent dubing items, hacking gil or hacking at all.

I'm sorry but if your going to say a meter makes people toxic... Then dont add pvp to the same thing that wants to avoid "Elite Toxics" then why would you support things that are known for making people toxic?

I'm sorry but people need to open their eyes to the truth and stop being blind sided by admiration. To many hypocrisy in this universe (game). It is really sad when people halfly follows what they say or believe.

[Puremallace]

One thing I always dislike about these types of threads is it assumes Square Enix is staffed by morons blind to everything on Twitch even after issuing multiple statements with more clarification then we have gotten in years.

[redheadturk]

The only time, IME, that SE will ban a streamer isn't over ACT use in and of itself. The last few bans that I personally have heard about were #1 for use of a mod that gave aoe markers to untelegraphed mechanics during TEA, #2 someone using the Ungermax exploit outside of Squadrons to clear difficult content, #3 a few streamers using ACT and harassing teammates over their dps, and even in that case it wasn't ACT itself that was the issue, but the harassment.

[Yvresse]

The current iteration is perfect as is.
I am ex WoW player, and new to FFXIV.
No built in DPS meter = No kicking people for not being 'leet'

So that means you have an optional overlay, that uses the game data already found in the damage logs, to calculate something for you. You could calculate it yourself as well, this just makes it easier.
That way you can actually know, how much damage you are doing, and quantify it vs how much damage you are doing after certain gear upgrades.

This way the game prioritizes fun and not maximum numbers, but players who want to actually delve into the number crunching, can do so. And if you don't wanna use any overlay, nobody can make you - in fact if someone harass you, they will get into trouble. So you have no fears about that.

[Kandraxx]

Honestly, the addon that consolidates combos is the single best thing out there.

There is no excuse, for it not to be standard behavior in the first place. There is no thought process and no decisions involved with the melee combos. There is no situation, where you would want to hit the same button again, or skip 2 and go to straight to 3 in the 1-2-3 combos.

It doesn’t matter if I sort the buttons to 123 or ERT or whatever layout you use, instead of just hitting 111 or E E E. There is not a single ounce of skill floor or skill ceiling involved, but it stops my hand from tiring and aching.

It’s the same as if I gave you a super mario bros 1, but with 3 buttons for jump instead one and only one of them works at a time in a linear fashion. It wouldn’t add any depth or difficulty to the game at all.

[Izscha]

Honestly, the addon that consolidates combos is the single best thing out there.

There is no excuse, for it not to be standard behavior in the first place. There is no thought process and no decisions involved with the melee combos. There is no situation, where you would want to hit the same button again, or skip 2 and go to straight to 3 in the 1-2-3 combos.

It doesn’t matter if I sort the buttons to 123 or ERT or whatever layout you use, instead of just hitting 111 or E E E. There is not a single ounce of skill floor or skill ceiling involved, but it stops my hand from tiring and aching.

There is a reason it's that way, it's not based on what you want, but what you do press that matters and you can drop it because everyone can fails.
That's like saying why bother doing combos in fighting games you just have to press one button to do the same, and yeah in certain games the 1111 version do exist, but it does less damage because it's braindead to do and you reward the players that do the same combos but the regular way.
Removing it with mods is cheating, if you're fine with cheating good for you, but dont try to make it look like it's legit.
And dont say that you do NEVER drop the 1-2-3, it would be a blatant lie.

[Deceptus]

And dont say that you do NEVER drop the 1-2-3, it would be a blatant lie.

With the added leeway they introduced it makes it REALLY hard to drop it. Its something like 12-15 seconds.