Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[MintnHoney]

This topic seems to get brought up 2-3 times a year. As far as I've been aware, Squeen's kinda taken a "don't-ask-don't-tell" stance, so I don't really see the problem with 3rd party tools if they enable players to enjoy the game more and they aren't using the tools as a source for harassment.
I just also know that some players, who haven't had done any research or had experience with 3rd party add-ons, immediately associate such things to parsers and naughty mods, or they think such players are doing something to their game client. There's bound to be some discomfort around the idea as a result.

[Endariel]

Add-ons or mods were never really "disallowed" or "allowed". Yoshi can close an eye on these because they don't pose a major problem and they follow the fight club rules.
What is truly prohibited is data mining

[Caitlyn]

What is truly prohibited is data mining

And Bots and RMT.

But Datamining became a thing after world first raiders received death threats (and worse) from random people.

https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU

Just gonna drop the interview Yoshi did last year here. I think it'll answer any questions.

To be honest, this is like the bible. Jesus said: dont kill. Just love eachother. While many people did that, other people formed a church and started a crusade.


Many tools and plugins are kinda useless in my opinion. If you depend on a tool to call out stuff, you should reconsider why you want to raid. I wonder if people can actually say from themself to clear a hard fight, when they did that with support wheels. But on the other hand, very few plugins are making life alot easier, just by adding a feature which is missing in the game very badly (for housing, glamours or taking screenshots).

Just a few examples:
- Do we have a glamour log? - No.
- Can we place housing furniture everywhere in our room? - Only by using glitches. Otherwise no.
- Does the game tell us how we perform? - Nope. Its clear or wipe.
- Can we add DirectX effects ingame? - No
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[LianaThorne]

And Bots and RMT.

But Datamining became a thing after world first raiders received death threats (and worse) from random people.




To be honest, this is like the bible. Jesus said: dont kill. Just love eachother. While many people did that, other people formed a church and started a crusade.


Many tools and plugins are kinda useless in my opinion. If you depend on a tool to call out stuff, you should reconsider why you want to raid. I wonder if people can actually say from themself to clear a hard fight, when they did that with support wheels. But on the other hand, very few plugins are making life alot easier, just by adding a feature which is missing in the game very badly (for housing, glamours or taking screenshots).

Bottom line is:
On the surface/professional level they're not allowed but they don't know what we're doing on our PCs nor will they ever install anything to find that out. If you get reported for putting out someone's numbers, you'll get hit with a harassment penalty. This is basically fight club rules. Do what you want but don't use it to lock people out of content/shame them or you will get smacked in the face with a GM visit.

Whether or not someone wants to use those tools to raid and your opinion on why they're raiding is irrelevant. People can play the game how they want as long as they're not hurting others via harassment or shaming, same as you can. I personally don't use them to assist with fights but at the end of the day, I literally could care less if someone in my party is. It doesn't affect my life if someone wants help remembering their rotation nor do I feel any sort of superiority to that person for not using them.

[DarkB]

Well i do not care what other people do, im not here to judge or bash anyone using or not using, mods, act, and other stuff.
But it would be nice to have a clear answer from SE ( i know there has been some) followed by clear facts. If you "yoshi" said that using parser/mods/any 3d party tool is againts the ToS, well i expect that you follow up with facts.

I like some of these tools, and i would like to use them but i dont want to get my account banned, the fact that there is a grey zone is very annoying, and as i said on the first page of the topic, anything that helps you trough fights should be banned, i hate that thing, like DBM on wow is the most stupid thing ever. Its mindblowing how they allow something like that.
If this game starts implementing these addons that give you even a slight advantage or help during a fight, well.... this should be really taken care of.

Parser is another ballpark. As far as i can see parser is a good and useful tool in any game, the only reason why companies do not like to implement it is because of the inevitability of having people harrassing other players because they do not perform as "their" standards because they have a tool to verify their performance. Whats to say here? The mother of the idiots is always pregnant. But the tool itself doesnt give you any help or doesnt give you an edge on a fight.





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[Snorky]

Well i do not care what other people do, im not here to judge or bash anyone using or not using, mods, act, and other stuff.
But it would be nice to have a clear answer from SE ( i know there has been some) followed by clear facts. If you "yoshi" said that using parser/mods/any 3d party tool is againts the ToS, well i expect that you follow up with facts.

I like some of these tools, and i would like to use them but i dont want to get my account banned, the fact that there is a grey zone is very annoying, and as i said on the first page of the topic, anything that helps you trough fights should be banned, i hate that thing, like DBM on wow is the most stupid thing ever. Its mindblowing how they allow something like that.
If this game starts implementing these addons that give you even a slight advantage or help during a fight, well.... this should be really taken care of.

Parser is another ballpark. As far as i can see parser is a good and useful tool in any game, the only reason why companies do not like to implement it is because of the inevitability of having people harrassing other players because they do not perform as "their" standards because they have a tool to verify their performance. Whats to say here? The mother of the idiots is always pregnant. But the tool itself doesnt give you any help or doesnt give you an edge on a fight.





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Here you go: https://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?id=20&la=1&kid=12800

It took all of 3 seconds to Google this. There is no excuse if you have a question about are these programs allowed. They clearly are not. There is no debate about it. If you are a streamer and there is video evidence of you using 3rd party programs you are at risk. If you openly admit to using them here in this thread or in game you are at risk. If you harrass others about their dps because you are running a program that records that info you are at risk. Just don't do it, this isn't WoW. it's not allowed here.

[Hoehenflug]

I think it kind of funny to me that people are afraid to throw some names.

Naguura and limit_maximum are both streaming right now with a heavily modified UI that resemble WoW. If you didn't know, check them out.

If you feel pitty or the need to whiteknight for some entitled, rich Americans that earn more money than you ever will by abusing the political propaganda machine that is twitch AND actively promoting breaking the TOS, that's on you.

It's the very same 'influencers' that destroyed WoW, that are just here to leech off some money and will be gone just as quick. They'll make some video about the flaws of the game or the community, cash em in, cause mass exodus and peace out. They clearly do not give a fuck about the game nor you nor sustainability, which can clearly be observed by their disrespectful behaviour. They are reliant on this game to earn a living, not vice versa. Show some respect for the game's culture.

It's time to hold streamers accountable and call them out for their bullshit. YoshiP clearly stated that he doesn't want to get involved but of course some people see that as an opportunity for abuse forcing him to act.

'Oh it's only a parser.' - 'Oh it's only DBM' - 'Oh it's a raid kick cause you are not on the discord' - 'Oh it's only an instant interrupted LB in PvP once ever 10 games' 'Raid carries are normal to sell' 'Nah bra, saying hi at the start of a duty is cringe'

No. Stop it. You are actively promoting this BS to seep into this game.

To be a clear, there is a difference between using mods and promoting mods. Those streamers due to their platform AND awareness should be held fully accountable for doing both blatantly.

[KDSilver]

This again.
It'll never stop

[LianaThorne]

https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU

Just gonna drop the interview Yoshi did last year here. I think it'll answer any questions.

[Snorky]

The real problem here and it's the elephant in the room is people will use these helpful tools to abuse others and shame them or just be miserable. that is the real problem, I am not saying all people but enough have in the past that it's a problem. There are people who are sore losers and can't handle any type of loss or wipe and need to blame others this is true and a fact. So by using common sense SE has said NO to the use of 3rd party programs. This is the old addage we can't have nice things because a few want to ruin it for all.