The Forgotten WoLs

[RyuDragnier]

Given the amnesia didn't seem to affect Minfilia in particular, and that it appears Hydaelyn is the one who undoes it for everyone else, I would assume that she also was the one who did it to begin with.

I believe she originally did it to protect our identity from the Ascians and the Garleans who may try to bumrush us the second they realized we were back. Do you (general question, not directed at you) really think Gaius would want the one who killed Nael (even though he wanted Nael dead) running around knowing full well how powerful they were and how easily they could get in the way of conquest? Or that Lahabrea wouldn't immediately try to get rid of one of Hydaelyn's champions before they were strong enough to fight back?

[ICountFrom0]

How about both?

The explosion is the landing, the moment when people are driven through time, and the brief second of the phoenix existing. All of it, the same spell, same effect, all at once.

He took all the power that would have saved the world, drew it into himself, ascended, tossed those away that he could save, turned everybody within his reach, made everybody forget, and the forgetfulness passed into the aethir like a wave as he let go of the power, and in turn was taken by behamut. World not saved, but reborn in that instant.

[Elladie]

How about both?

The explosion is the landing, the moment when people are driven through time, and the brief second of the phoenix existing. All of it, the same spell, same effect, all at once.

He took all the power that would have saved the world, drew it into himself, ascended, tossed those away that he could save, turned everybody within his reach, made everybody forget, and the forgetfulness passed into the aethir like a wave as he let go of the power, and in turn was taken by behamut. World not saved, but reborn in that instant.

But he didn't, unfortunately. In the cinematic he is clearly just plain old Louisoix when he blips out Derplander and Derplander's friends and sends them into the future. Then we cut to the massive fiery explosion and Louisoix's sad smile as everything goes 'boom!' At some point after that he becomes Phoenix and reimprisons Bahamut but isn't strong enough to resist being tempered by the Elder primal.

[ICountFrom0]

Cinematics... you mean, "memories of the past that arn't necessarily correct due to shenanigan's?"

[Elladie]

Cinematics... you mean, "memories of the past that arn't necessarily correct due to shenanigan's?"

I mean the cinematic that followed the final day of XIV 1.5 when the servers shut down. As far as I'm aware, that's intended to be an accurate representation of what occurred before the final 'fade to black'. It's not anyone's memories, it's an omniscient narrative perspective.

But if we're going to argue that we can't trust any cutscene in the game - in the same way we don't trust trailers, because shenanigans - it becomes pointless to see anything in the game as canon since SE can retcon anything they like. For the moment, I will continue to say that Louisoix sent the WoL wherever he thought he was sending them - through time, through space or wherever - before he became Phoenix. Currently the evidence - that cinematic - supports my argument

[Jandor]

I always assumed everyone forgot who exactly they were because they had been plucked out of the timeline. People remembered the feats, but drew a blank as to who exactly did them, because they technically didn't exist anymore. Maybe.

Dropping them back in would restore the memory, although apparently with a bit of lag, presumably it takes a bit of time for them to mesh back in properly?

I dunno, sounds plausible enough to me.