We should talk about endgame, and the future of this combat.

[Wavaryen]

I've been working on getting better, and was thinking of tipping my toes into end game content. I'm not talking about randoms, but was thinking of starting a ls and building up like minded players who want to learn and get better. Try the hardest content. With that, I want to lead by example like I did when I was a raid leader in wow. So I get enjoyment out of playing a class to the fullest, but I come to understand two problems with this game.


1) Ping.
2) Double weaving.


I can do it, barely being on the east coast. It is not easy, and I come to understand a simple thing. My dps is going to take a hit not because of my skill, but because of latency. And if I tackle harder content. I will be fighting a uphill battle, trying to play my class to the fullest, and the boss itself. Most of the time it is fine, but when my nephew has online classes. Sister watching her Kpop stuff, and gaming with wife. Well I would have to balance around that. I think classes should have something to strive for, but I'm not so sure double weaving is it because of ping.


So my question is this, With many new players coming to the game, and some might be wanting to get into the end game. Do you think issues like this will arise, and do you feel this hinders the game?

[Kolsykol]

Whether double weaving is a problem I feel has more to do with your gcd.
With MNK for example you need to be spot on and have no lag, but with DRG I don't think it's a problem.

[Kahnom]

Only Bard and Machinist that required Double weave as Fundamental.
Other jobs are fine with single weave, I think.

[Jeeqbit]

I don't double weave because of ping and I've never had a problem because extreme and savage fights are scaled to the average item level, which everyone usually exceeds even when it comes out. There are classes that don't do much weaving as well.

There are a few fights that are scaled almost to the maximum item level allowed like ultimate and unreal but there are other ways to increase the party damage than just double weaving and it's usually enough.

[Vyrerus]

You can get through Savage just fine with high ping. Australian players do it all the time. The Australians in my BLU static are the highest DPSes in the group, along with someone else in that timezone whose nationality I don't know. They're all on Primal.

I play on the East Coast, and while I don't have as many other people taking up my bandwidth, I've never had troubles with ping. In fact, in the current state of the game, I've gotten away with a lot more close shaves during dodges and things than in any other part of the game's life.

If you play with other's effects on, you can turn them off for serious raiding, and this will slightly reduce your input lag. Other than that, you could also use classes that don't need double weaving as much to be optimal. Stuff like Black Mage or a tank like Warrior. (Though almost every job has a ping related optimization somewhere. No optimizations are required to clear Savage).

[Wavaryen]

Ya, Im pretty sure that the content can be done with single weave, but it is more of a mindset thing. If im going to do content I want to play my class at its fullest. I guess I have a very old school mindset, so I might just need to train myself out of it. Thanks for the feedback.

[TTiscancer]

no content in the game requires double-weaving to get through.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you NEED to. This is just some try-hard bullshit, as usual.

[zcrash970]

I said this all the way back in 2.0 when Titan HM was a block for a lot of people.
"Don't use ping as an excuse to cover up your lack of skill at the game"

[Lihtleita]

Whether double weaving is a problem I feel has more to do with your gcd.
With MNK for example you need to be spot on and have no lag, but with DRG I don't think it's a problem.

you clearly havent mastared the mnk tradition of disconnecting, reconnecting and doing positionals as a moving corpse

all jokes aside at high speed tiers double weaving isn't actually reccommended for all jobs op

[Wavaryen]

no content in the game requires double-weaving to get through.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you NEED to. This is just some try-hard bullshit, as usual.

This is true, but I do get enjoyment out of pushing a class to its limits. So it is not something that for me right now is easily to accept. I find it fun to try hard. It is not like I expect others to have same fun. I'm not sure why you seem a little aggressive because I enjoy doing this. lol.