How to Build a PLD, needing tips plz.

[Aceofspades]

And both of these reasons are bad.


Yeah, you personally suggest people do a lot of things. You're one of those posters who confuses people new to this game. You set the bar on standards pretty low for a job like PLD when you say things like this. I mean really, who would run towards the party when running from CC anyway. Probably a bad tank.


It's great that in your previous paragraph you were able to recognize that CC falls on his ass when you avoid 100 tonze. That must not happen often when you're intentionally taking it to the face 3 or more times in a row though. Surely incapacitating a mob to the point where it cannot do any kind of damage to you (and healers not incurring hate from healing you) has NO STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE in a battle. What a moronic opinion to have. I hope others see your posts and ignore them from now on as your perspective on tanking is shoved inside this little box with only a small window to look out of.


The bold stuff: Wow, the irony! You must get up very early in the morning in order to shove the most amount of ignorance into every single post.
The underline stuff: Too bad I didn't even bring that part up whatsoever and you're just tunnel-visioning your arguments as usual. It's also really telling that you think VIT and DEF are more important than HP, and yet you also neglect to mention that beyond all of those things, straight enmity bonus is more important than all three. Of course, you probably don't know need a lot of enmity judging how you appear to play this game and you reduce the party to low efficiency as a result.

I don't even know why I am bothering to reply to you. Reading and responding to your posts is a gigantic waste of time.

If Incaping the mob made the fight faster or in anyway increased DPS then I would see the advantage, but again IF you can handle the hits then its better just to stand there and take em, the reason why I run tward the party is because with 100 tonze if you are too far out or in you will get hit by it, you have to find that sweet spot, in a situation like that , where the rest of the party is already standing at the sweet spot it just makes sense to run to them soo there is no miscalculations on your part , if you stand at the wrong spot and have no buffs up with your back to coin counter , all due to the fact because your too busy running from his hits , then you can pretty much count on a one hit kill, especially if your running from 100 tonze because you know you cant take the hits. Yeah I know sounds stupid right? Your whole argument is not only ignorant but if anyone is setting the bar low for new players its you. "why bother learning how to play well when you can just learn how to exploit flaws in the game" I play PLD like a turtle tank, and considering the nature of PLDs and their abilties , I think its only common sense to play it as a turtle tank, anytime your running from the mob you are NOT tanking it much less turtle tanking, in wich you would have to sit there and rely on skills and tp moves to do well. God forbid we encourage players to LEARN their jobs...

OH and enmity is important, but even if you could muster 100+ enmity on a peice of gear it is worthless if the person wearing the gear dosent know how best to build enmity, as far as party efficiency gose, A tank that can take care of him/her self for the most part frees up the WHM/s to do somthing other then focus spam heals. Most set ups in wich the tank is focusing on high hp vs high def usually NEED a second healer. Being able to replace a healer with a DD more then makes up for not having a dd/tank much less one that is not built to deflect damage more then absorb it.

Want to call me ignorant when realy the ignorance stems from one beliving they are tanking well because they didnt die, all the while relying heavly on healers to keep them alive. I am sorry to inform you that from a factual stand point taking 100 damage with 3500 hp is far better then taking 150 damage with 4500 hp, I would do the math for you but since you seem to be far more inteligent then me I wont insult your superior inteligence (sarcasm) but for everyone else taking 1/3 less damage is better then have 25% more hp, ESPECIALLY in longer fights.

One last note, considering the "set the bar low" comment. I strait tank a boss you run from..... as far as "who would run tward a party when tanking cc?" better question , why are you running from CC, can you not hang? If not , your probably in no position to critisize me.

[GreyJorildyn]

I play PLD like a turtle tank, and considering the nature of PLDs and their abilties , I think its only common sense to play it as a turtle tank, anytime your running from the mob you are NOT tanking it much less turtle tanking, in wich you would have to sit there and rely on skills and tp moves to do well. God forbid we encourage players to LEARN their jobs...

You are one of those "real men of genius", aren't you? lol

A tank that can take care of him/her self for the most part frees up the WHM/s to do somthing other then focus spam heals. Most set ups in wich the tank is focusing on high hp vs high def usually NEED a second healer. Being able to replace a healer with a DD more then makes up for not having a dd/tank much less one that is not built to deflect damage more then absorb it.

I'm pretty sure if you could run a smidgen away from a mob to incap it for 10seconds, that counts as "helping yourself out" and still "frees the whm to do something other than spam heals". Furthermore, when doing CC, if your group has 2 WHM, one should be full-time nuking anyway.

Want to call me ignorant when realy the ignorance stems from one beliving they are tanking well because they didnt die, all the while relying heavly on healers to keep them alive. I am sorry to inform you that from a factual stand point taking 100 damage with 3500 hp is far better then taking 150 damage with 4500 hp, I would do the math for you but since you seem to be far more inteligent then me I wont insult your superior inteligence (sarcasm) but for everyone else taking 1/3 less damage is better then have 25% more hp, ESPECIALLY in longer fights.

I'm not even sure what this dribble is.

One last note, considering the "set the bar low" comment. I strait tank a boss you run from..... as far as "who would run tward a party when tanking cc?" better question , why are you running from CC, can you not hang? If not , your probably in no position to critisize me.

Here's the "better answer": because running from CC incaps it so:
1) I don't take any damage.
2) My healing WHM can then nuke or rebuff as needed without any worry.
3) It's the "most efficient" thing to do in that given situation. It is an intended mechanic.

What your argument is basically saying is that if you don't "play smart" (what I consider playing smart is running from CC to incap it for quite some time), then you're being a pussy and therefor must suck at tanking. That is the most idiotic logic a tank could have. Did your XI linkshell also straight tank King Behemoth because kiting it was only for pussies? How about Kirin in the early days? You really are a piece of work.

I feel bad for anyone taking advice from you. You're one of the people who contributes to the ignorance of these forums and if there were some way to delete all the posts you make like the one above (and the many others you've plastered across these forums in the past months), we'd all be better for it. I'm sorry but you are either terrible at explaining yourself and/or awful at this game.

[Stufoo]

"why bother learning how to play well when you can just learn how to exploit flaws in the game"

You are the most extremely awful shitlord ever to post here. I guess we know why that stupid parse you posted had you getting hit by crimson cyclone. It's an EXPLOIT IN THE GAME to dodge attacks.

[Aceofspades]

You are the most extremely awful shitlord ever to post here. I guess we know why that stupid parse you posted had you getting hit by crimson cyclone. It's an EXPLOIT IN THE GAME to dodge attacks.

LOL no not an exploit, but I would call a fight flawed when WHMs and THMs are "tanking" it. making heavy hits avoidable seems to undermind the need for a "good" tank. But soo long as your ok with being a bad tank , I guess flawed fights are ok with you. Do you NEED high def or vit? obsolutly not, and that is the problem, wich is why I am using CC for a reference point. the only boss in wich no normaly geared dd or healer can survive the "heavy hits". Can one still dodge 100 tonze? ofcourse, but is the fight easier if you can actually handle everything CC dishes out? absolutely.

[Aceofspades]

You are one of those "real men of genius", aren't you? lol


I'm pretty sure if you could run a smidgen away from a mob to incap it for 10seconds, that counts as "helping yourself out" and still "frees the whm to do something other than spam heals". Furthermore, when doing CC, if your group has 2 WHM, one should be full-time nuking anyway.


I'm not even sure what this dribble is.


Here's the "better answer": because running from CC incaps it so:
1) I don't take any damage.
2) My healing WHM can then nuke or rebuff as needed without any worry.
3) It's the "most efficient" thing to do in that given situation. It is an intended mechanic.

What your argument is basically saying is that if you don't "play smart" (what I consider playing smart is running from CC to incap it for quite some time), then you're being a pussy and therefor must suck at tanking. That is the most idiotic logic a tank could have. Did your XI linkshell also straight tank King Behemoth because kiting it was only for pussies? How about Kirin in the early days? You really are a piece of work.

I feel bad for anyone taking advice from you. You're one of the people who contributes to the ignorance of these forums and if there were some way to delete all the posts you make like the one above (and the many others you've plastered across these forums in the past months), we'd all be better for it. I'm sorry but you are either terrible at explaining yourself and/or awful at this game.

lol, you talk as if your whm has any mp to nuke once he/she gets done healing you. at any rate, I am done argueing this point , you seem to be ok with being a lousy tank, soo I am ok with you being a lousy tank, as far as taking my advice , I honestly dont care if you do, but here is a thought, if DEF and VIT are worthless then why even pop buffs that deflect or reduce damage taken? LOL with that logic we should all just stack HP on everything and let the WHMs take care of the rest and HOPE we dont get one or two shoted by realy closely proced tp moves from bosses.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but if your whm is constantly cureing your sorry ass because you refuse to add vit or def to your gear he/she is likely recovering mp in that 12 second time gap you afford them when CC is on his ass. Its cool tho, your soo pro at this you dont need my advice, Personaly I think the person who should get props at the end of each of your fights is your whm for not letting you die. In a situation where there is no back up tank, the whole fight hangs on the tank keeping hate, and staying alive, soo long as you dont run out of time thats realy all that matters. would love to see where hp helps reduce how much damage you take, fact is, a whm can keep my hp up as well if I have 3500 hp or 5500 hp, and the less hp I lose per hit the easier it gets for them... none of your nonsense is gona explain away the pure moronic ideals you base your tank on. only one thing actually helps the tank not take more damage , and that one thing is , adding more damage midigation. 4k hp is more then enough to give any whm room to keep your hp pool up , soo long as you dont take hits like a pus. with full pt buff , I sit at just over 4k hp with no hp materia on my gear, and I still take 30%+ less damage then you soo yeah...

[GreyJorildyn]

I have no idea what I am talking about. I just rabble rabble rabble about stuff I have no idea about. Also, I think I am right about everything involving tanking. Worship me for I am your Paladin God.

Cool story bro. I have full Heavy Darklight Gear and run over 230 enmity on my tanking set. I believe I have plenty of enmity, VIT, STR, and other bits used for tanking. I have 4250 HP in a full party and no food. Also, I run from 100 tonze, so I guess I suck. We have 2 WHMs and one nukes full-time on CC since we only need 1 healer cuz we run from 100 tonze! My LS kills CC in about 50seconds so I guess we all suck too. We run AV in 18mins so we're terrible.

Please die in a fire for all the conclusions you jump to.

P.S. Note that when I am passing judgments on you it is over things you have said. Whereas when you pass judgement on me it's about things you assume to be true and subsequently aren't since you're making shit up.

[Aceofspades]

Cool story bro. I have full Heavy Darklight Gear and run over 230 enmity on my tanking set. I believe I have plenty of enmity, VIT, STR, and other bits used for tanking. I have 4250 HP in a full party and no food. Also, I run from 100 tonze, so I guess I suck. We have 2 WHMs and one nukes full-time on CC since we only need 1 healer cuz we run from 100 tonze! My LS kills CC in about 50seconds so I guess we all suck too. We run AV in 18mins so we're terrible.

Please die in a fire for all the conclusions you jump to.

P.S. Note that when I am passing judgments on you it is over things you have said. Whereas when you pass judgement on me it's about things you assume to be true and subsequently aren't since you're making shit up.

LOLOLOLOLOL TROLL, good job, your found a LS that makes you look good lol. "plenty" of vit huh? but you can put a solid number on your other stats , and other then WAR tanks who cares about str? and before you get all egotistical , I understand it increases damage on PLD (along with every other class that dose physical damage) pretty sure it is safe to say, if your building your PLD to deal damage your missing the point of PLD tank. but, your soo pro, who am I to differ.