How to Build a PLD, needing tips plz.

[Aceofspades]

to clearify My current build , no buffs, food , or party , 769 def, 372 vit, about 3500+ HP , With buffs like protect, def/vit food (LL Toast) and rampart i sit just a little over 1100 def and 400 vit. with this build I can, and have taken 3, 100-tonz in a row, SS combined with devine veild took all but 300 some hp off the first swing, ageious boon completly healed and negated the second swing, this gave me enough time to cast stone skin once more and throw up sentinal, combined I took 0 damage, thats 3 100 tonze, zero heals from a healer, normal buffs, and well timed abilities. Dont care if you dont belive me tbh, try it and see for your self, will warn you tho, If you do not have alot of gil or other help to build gear sets, those def/vit numbers are pretty hard to get.

[Tman]

I hate to get sucked in, but please Ace, read your own quote here,

with this build I can, and have taken 3, 100-tonz in a row, SS combined with devine veild took all but 300 some hp off the first swing, ageious boon completly healed and negated the second swing, this gave me enough time to cast stone skin once more and throw up sentinal, combined I took 0 damage

Sure the Defense and Vit numbers look pretty, but you realize for all those stats you're still using cooldowns given to the average Joe Pld? The massive hp that some use (myself included) is to keep from getting 1shot by just about anything in game. It also increases enmity through Spirit's Within, and is just more useful all around for a pld tank, be it a turtle tank or not. I have nearly the same mitigation as you just suggested in your post, and yet I have roughly 70 less defense and 30 less vit. In the grand scheme of things, for all the melds and stat stacking you do, you don't have very much more than I, however I have 1500 hp more. This huge hp allows 1 to be lazy, for I can "super" tank anything in game.

[Aceofspades]

I hate to get sucked in, but please Ace, read your own quote here,

Sure the Defense and Vit numbers look pretty, but you realize for all those stats you're still using cooldowns given to the average Joe Pld? The massive hp that some use (myself included) is to keep from getting 1shot by just about anything in game. It also increases enmity through Spirit's Within, and is just more useful all around for a pld tank, be it a turtle tank or not. I have nearly the same mitigation as you just suggested in your post, and yet I have roughly 70 less defense and 30 less vit. In the grand scheme of things, for all the melds and stat stacking you do, you don't have very much more than I, however I have 1500 hp more. This huge hp allows 1 to be lazy, for I can "super" tank anything in game.

curious then, what your materia build is? i have double on all but the shield and triple on the shield, enless your adding 3 materias or more to your gear your claims are unlikely. But I will not say it is not true as far as your claim for hp being MORE usefull all around that is simply un true, even Primals do more physical damage then magical , outside of primals dev/vit is certainly the clear winner, soo again, Even though I can respect your opinion, I strongly disagree, If we were on the same server I am down for any challange put forth if anyone wanted to challange my claims. Other then that we will simply have to agree to disagree. oh and btw, 1500 hp is only and advantage untill the first 1500 damage taken, after that it is simply add HP that your WHM has to keep up with , and have a harder time doing soo, You claim you can take the same numbers as me, Again, I am up to any challange, I honestly and seriously doubt your claim's validity

[Tman]

We are on the same server Ace so by all means hit me up. That being said i'll move from the forums to /t in game so as not to muddy up this page. And also to sate your curiosity, I am fully tripled on everything save the pants (double IV and I didn't do them) as well as single gauntlets since they keep blowing up >.<

[Aceofspades]

We are on the same server Ace so by all means hit me up. That being said i'll move from the forums to /t in game so as not to muddy up this page. And also to sate your curiosity, I am fully tripled on everything save the pants (double IV and I didn't do them) as well as single gauntlets since they keep blowing up >.<

First I would Like to say, NICE! 3 teir 4 each, well done. Secondly I would like to say, that actually makes more sense. I currently am working on stacking 3 16+ def on to a hq vintage kite shield, then will move on to 3 teir 4 vit on the sward and soo on and soo forth, Not saying HP stack wont work, just if compaired in equally materiaed gear, def and vit has proven to have far more benificial effects then HP given the opertunity to have triple stacked gear rough numbers off the top of my head I would be sporting 800+ def and 400+ vit before any buffs that would be one hell of a turtle lol. As far as your invite, I am soo down! chr name is Aceofspades Aircav , /t me anytime you get a chance, soo long as the pt set up is unbiased and fair I am more then willing to subject my self to testing

[SwordCoheir]

curious then, what your materia build is? i have double on all but the shield and triple on the shield, enless your adding 3 materias or more to your gear your claims are unlikely. But I will not say it is not true as far as your claim for hp being MORE usefull all around that is simply un true, even Primals do more physical damage then magical , outside of primals dev/vit is certainly the clear winner, soo again, Even though I can respect your opinion, I strongly disagree, If we were on the same server I am down for any challange put forth if anyone wanted to challange my claims. Other then that we will simply have to agree to disagree. oh and btw, 1500 hp is only and advantage untill the first 1500 damage taken, after that it is simply add HP that your WHM has to keep up with , and have a harder time doing soo, You claim you can take the same numbers as me, Again, I am up to any challange, I honestly and seriously doubt your claim's validity

Not all that surprising or hard to do really, you can put HP more or less on any piece of meldable gear but can only stack VIT on Body, Swords, and Legs, and Def on Body and Shield. It make's it alot harder to try and compete against the flexibility of HP with restricted armor limits, and even more of a pain when they continue to add more types of materia on armor pieces that already has too many choices to begin with.

[Aceofspades]

Not all that surprising or hard to do really, you can put HP more or less on any piece of meldable gear but can only stack VIT on Body, Swords, and Legs, and Def on Body and Shield. It make's it alot harder to try and compete against the flexibility of HP with restricted armor limits, and even more of a pain when they continue to add more types of materia on armor pieces that already has too many choices to begin with.

I agree that HP being able to be added to every slot you can add materia makes it a very flexable materia. However thats not to say that you cant avoid HP materia all together and still build a kick ass turtle tank set. Utalizing ever benficial stat for PLD its actually not that hard at all. I will say tho, would be nice to get a vit or def or vit/def materia for the feet or hands , or hell , even bring back "magic def" and let us add that to a slot that DEF is not already available in. Reguardless HP is only as usefull as you WHMs can keep up , where as DEF and VIT actually give breathing room for your WHMs to worry less about spaming heals and can actualy use other aspects of their job to support the tank and party.

Also , She noted that she has all but one triple stacked materia, sadly I am not that far yet, but with miner to 50 now, its only a mater of time. given that extra teir 4 on each peice of gear , I am confidant a def/vit build would make coin counter look like a pus, hell, I kinda already do that LOL

[GreyJorildyn]

...with this build I can, and have taken 3, 100-tonz in a row, ...

Doing it wrong then.

Why do you still post here >.>

[Aceofspades]

Doing it wrong then.

Why do you still post here >.>

I tank up there for two reasons.

1) considering the fact that server lag is still an issue , even if I see my chr standing next to the party (behind coin counter) long before 100 tonze , ocasionally it will still hit me, wich means coin counter will NOT fall on his ass , instead will begin to turn twards me and the rest of the party in wich case he can proc any of his aoes and wipe the rest of the party. Until latiency is fixed this will happen , soo IF you can get away with posting up with little dificulty , Personaly, I sugest doing so.

2) there is no stratigic advantage in running from 100 tonze other then it helps tanks who are not built well, to survive. Sense I do not have this issue, I simply stand there and tank ol school style and it seems to work just fine. IN FACT, when compaired to lesser equiped tanks who DO run from 100 tonze (usualy WAR tanks) I tank far less damage in the entire fight by posting up and focusing on timing buffs well vs spam moves, and be ready to run / hope you dont get in animation lock durring 100 tonze .

As far as why do I keep posting here, simple answer, because ignorant people like yourself continue to post ignorant "facts" wich are self imposed and not backed by any real comparison or indepth testing. Please make note, I called you ignorant , not stupid. If you were incapable of learning you would be stupid, your just unwilling wich makes you ignorant. No amount of BS propaganda will deminish the fact that DEF and VIT is and always has been far more usefull in terms of tanking, then its HP counter part.

[GreyJorildyn]

I tank up there for two reasons.

And both of these reasons are bad.

1) considering the fact that server lag is still an issue , even if I see my chr standing next to the party (behind coin counter) long before 100 tonze , ocasionally it will still hit me, wich means coin counter will NOT fall on his ass , instead will begin to turn twards me and the rest of the party in wich case he can proc any of his aoes and wipe the rest of the party. Until latiency is fixed this will happen , soo IF you can get away with posting up with little dificulty , Personaly, I sugest doing so.

Yeah, you personally suggest people do a lot of things. You're one of those posters who confuses people new to this game. You set the bar on standards pretty low for a job like PLD when you say things like this. I mean really, who would run towards the party when running from CC anyway. Probably a bad tank.

2) there is no stratigic advantage in running from 100 tonze other then it helps tanks who are not built well, to survive. Sense I do not have this issue, I simply stand there and tank ol school style and it seems to work just fine. IN FACT, when compaired to lesser equiped tanks who DO run from 100 tonze (usualy WAR tanks) I tank far less damage in the entire fight by posting up and focusing on timing buffs well vs spam moves, and be ready to run / hope you dont get in animation lock durring 100 tonze .

It's great that in your previous paragraph you were able to recognize that CC falls on his ass when you avoid 100 tonze. That must not happen often when you're intentionally taking it to the face 3 or more times in a row though. Surely incapacitating a mob to the point where it cannot do any kind of damage to you (and healers not incurring hate from healing you) has NO STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE in a battle. What a moronic opinion to have. I hope others see your posts and ignore them from now on as your perspective on tanking is shoved inside this little box with only a small window to look out of.

As far as why do I keep posting here, simple answer, because ignorant people like yourself continue to post ignorant "facts" wich are self imposed and not backed by any real comparison or indepth testing. Please make note, I called you ignorant , not stupid. If you were incapable of learning you would be stupid, your just unwilling wich makes you ignorant. No amount of BS propaganda will deminish the fact that DEF and VIT is and always has been far more usefull in terms of tanking, then its HP counter part.

The bold stuff: Wow, the irony! You must get up very early in the morning in order to shove the most amount of ignorance into every single post.
The underline stuff: Too bad I didn't even bring that part up whatsoever and you're just tunnel-visioning your arguments as usual. It's also really telling that you think VIT and DEF are more important than HP, and yet you also neglect to mention that beyond all of those things, straight enmity bonus is more important than all three. Of course, you probably don't know need a lot of enmity judging how you appear to play this game and you reduce the party to low efficiency as a result.

I don't even know why I am bothering to reply to you. Reading and responding to your posts is a gigantic waste of time.