How to Build a PLD, needing tips plz.

[Aceofspades]

Your logic is somewhat flawed Ace. While you may have the capability to take the brunt of the hit from 100 Tonze, you also have to consider that once he gets to 50% CC starts to spam moves back-to-back which leave alot of room potential hazards to occur like Animal Instinct, Eye of the Beholder, etc. When he's on his ass that's 10-15 seconds he's not spamming those potential moves (even longer if you get a good stun on him), meaning WHM's don't have to waste MP to help heal and can help nuke to speed up the kill, close-ranged DD's can freely go all out w/o taking a risk, and you have a short breathing period to heal, buff, or DD yourself especially if your defensive abilities are on cooldown, it's also the perfect opportunity to throw out a Riot Blade combo to land Defense Down and help your DD's floor him faster.

I just overall don't see the benefit of trying to take it head on when you make it that much easier on yourself and your party to NOT get hit by it.

The hazards are easly overcome with saving your instant vokes for primal and using your tp moves to maintain hate. everything else he dose is realy weak. but I will acknowledge the fact that when the boss is not doing anything its a good thing, however the advantage of strait tanking comes from removing the effort of dodging 100tonze as well as the risk of the outcome if your manuver dose not succeed. I do agree dosent take much to run outa the way, but it dose take some cordinational skill to maintain timing your enmity abilites as well as timing manuvers with CC's 100 tonze as well as self buffs. The whole time keeping an eye on your battle log to make sure you get outa range and all that hinges on the off chance he dosent proc 100 tonze in the middle of an anmiation in wich case , unlike spells, you can not interupt when doing tp moves. When you strait tank you allow the tank to focus on the main two things it needs to focus on , staying alive and keeping hate. I do a much better job when I cut out all bs and just rely on my abilties and knowledge of the job. Not sure how kiting makes killing CC faster, either way, your main healer is likely not to nuke as it is a waste of mp if they are not in clerics stance and as far as the hazards go, Im sure you have seen the situation in wich the tank , returning from runing from 100 tonze, is not in postion nor ready for stealing hate back when CC procs primal imediatly after 100 tonze then soon after dose a swing that wipes the pt. Risks run with either set up, Strait tanking simply alows your more certainty in controlling the pace of the fight because you are able to time your abilties more easly then compaired to adding the added duty of timing manuvers with CC's 100 tonze.

[Aceofspades]

Cool story bro. I have full Heavy Darklight Gear and run over 230 enmity on my tanking set. I believe I have plenty of enmity, VIT, STR, and other bits used for tanking. I have 4250 HP in a full party and no food. Also, I run from 100 tonze, so I guess I suck. We have 2 WHMs and one nukes full-time on CC since we only need 1 healer cuz we run from 100 tonze! My LS kills CC in about 50seconds so I guess we all suck too. We run AV in 18mins so we're terrible.

Please die in a fire for all the conclusions you jump to.

P.S. Note that when I am passing judgments on you it is over things you have said. Whereas when you pass judgement on me it's about things you assume to be true and subsequently aren't since you're making shit up.

LOLOLOLOLOL TROLL, good job, your found a LS that makes you look good lol. "plenty" of vit huh? but you can put a solid number on your other stats , and other then WAR tanks who cares about str? and before you get all egotistical , I understand it increases damage on PLD (along with every other class that dose physical damage) pretty sure it is safe to say, if your building your PLD to deal damage your missing the point of PLD tank. but, your soo pro, who am I to differ.

[GreyJorildyn]

You should buy a better shovel so you can dig a larger hole to live in. In the meantime, look back on this thread and all the others you post in about tanking and count the number of people who disagree with you. It's not just me, it's pretty much everybody. I tend to think there are few situations in which everybody is wrong. This isn't one of them...

[Aceofspades]

Serious talk tho,

There are currently two types of tanks in the game and several ideas on how best to tank with those two types. Even tho I understand how best to tank with an offensive tank, I perfer turtle tank, soo that is what I will comment on for those looking for solid advice.

HP builds are easy, fairly inexpensive and because most who stack hp are not worried about deffensive stats they can afford to blow up sever NQ crafted items because they are cheep to attain. HP dose work well against magic damage where there is currently no good answer to magical damage. That being said, other then its realtvily inexpensive affordability, I find there to be little to no realy benifit to stacking HP. My resoning for this is:

1) HP stacks are only benficial untill you take the same amount of damage of that in wich you stacked HP, (stack 1500 hp / take 1500 damage) once you get past that point the other tank with less hp then you is now as well equiped as you are. Fact is, weather your HP cap is 4500 or 3500 if you never fall below yellow hp your just as well off.

2) because of number 1 above, stacking vit and def makes more sense. because tank 1 takes 30% less damage but has 25% less hp, he is actually making the WHMs job easier damage is going to reoccur in any fight the best way to stay alive is to take less damage not ABSORB more. For example, if you take the healer out of fight, the tank that take lesss damage will most certainly last longer, because no matter how much hp the other tank has, they are still taking reoccuring damage that is considerably higher the the tank with more def and the tank with more def will have a much easier time keeping HP then the one with less def.

3) Altho DEF/VIT dose not help magic attacks, there is currently no boss in the game that dose more or even equal magic damage to that of physical damage. All bosses do more physical damage then magical, its just that the magic damage is more noticable as it takes out larger chunks of hp, wich is where the HP craze stems from. This is unfounded, because, soo long as your WHM is not cure bombing you for normal attacks they should always be ready to fill that hp bar up after the less ocasional magic attack. Out side of boss mobs, vit and def is the obvious winner on usefull stats, this makes vit and def all around more usefull then HP.

could go on forever but will end this with one last tip,

mind is a very usefull stat for PLD. VIT, DEF, MND are the most benificial base stats for pld. PLD is obviously not an offensive tank, soo go ahead and throw DPS on the bottom of your list, hate managment and staying alive (taking less damage) is PLDs strong points. According to Yoshi, jobs were desinged to not be solo classes. Each has attributes that by itself , has a hard time but when combined in a group dose realy well. Soo if your gona tank on pld, its not a bad idea to increase pld's strengths and focus less on their weakness, thats how the jobs were intended to be used.

sorry if spelling or gramer is off a bit, was never a good writer.

[Aceofspades]

You should buy a better shovel so you can dig a larger hole to live in. In the meantime, look back on this thread and all the others you post in about tanking and count the number of people who disagree with you. It's not just me, it's pretty much everybody. I tend to think there are few situations in which everybody is wrong. This isn't one of them...

the sun revolves around the earth

the earth is flat

the speed of light is the fastest speed atainable.

now we can add "Grey knows what he is talking about" lol

like I said brother, I could care less what you do or further more what you think of me. Your opinion is that I am wrong, but thats all it is, opinion, when I say your wrong, I at least back my words with facts. All you seem to be able to do is troll and fall back on your LS for speed runs. Enjoy that, well at least till every noob on a ps3 gets a speed run after their first month on the game. Have a good life

[GreyJorildyn]

Nice attempt at a saveface post. Silly that you didn't leave it there and instead quoted me again to keep this going though.

It appears that you've showed your whole hand. You can't speed run and your "facts" appear to be part of the problem. Reanalyze what you do and perhaps you could improve your group. First they have to find a way around your stubbornness. That could be the most difficult hurdle of all. You can post "pld tipz" when you start to see things objectively. Until then please stop poisoning this section bro. You're not helping anyone.

[Aceofspades]

Nice attempt at a saveface post. Silly that you didn't leave it there and instead quoted me again to keep this going though.

It appears that you've showed your whole hand. You can't speed run and your "facts" appear to be part of the problem. Reanalyze what you do and perhaps you could improve your group. First they have to find a way around your stubbornness. That could be the most difficult hurdle of all. You can post "pld tipz" when you start to see things objectively. Until then please stop poisoning this section bro. You're not helping anyone.

"like I said brother, I could care less what you do or further more what you think of me. Your opinion is that I am wrong, but thats all it is, opinion, when I say your wrong, I at least back my words with facts. All you seem to be able to do is troll and fall back on your LS for speed runs."

[Chardrizard]

Keep straight tanking and i am sure you will never be able to kill Chimera.

If you can't evade skills or train to evade , you will never see speedruns. This much i can guarentee you. Straight tanking is cool and all, but how does taking damage is better than not taking any damage? simple logic really.

[GreyJorildyn]

My advice: don't bother with this guy.

[Aceofspades]

Keep straight tanking and i am sure you will never be able to kill Chimera.

If you can't evade skills or train to evade , you will never see speedruns. This much i can guarentee you. Straight tanking is cool and all, but how does taking damage is better than not taking any damage? simple logic really.

lol, belive it or not , I agree, on chimera, it is actually very benifical to dodge attacks, infact I tank him mostly on the side just keep moving till he stops moving then stand to his side out of range of either elemental attack. And I also agree with taking less damage is better then taking more damage, hense def/vit >hp