Why is the PvP Shadowstalker set unavailable permanently?

[Iscah]

10 years of PvP, 5 Glam Sets

10 years of PvE, 1500 Glam Sets

"OMG why do PvP players get so good rewards?"

To understand that frustration, you don't compare it to the entirety of the game's sets but to what is available to us at level one for all classes. Look through the wasteland of spy trenchcoats and modern streetwear and another freaking pair of plain wristgloves and lace-up shoes and then look at the glorious fantasy armour sets handed out to a select few who were here at the time and might have never even cared about the glamour in the first place.

In over five years of playing, I have seen ONE person utilising these outfits.

Riddle me this then. How would you encourage participation and taking the top end of the leader board seriously?

Riddle me this, why should it matter? If the game is fun, people will want to play it. People who want to take it seriously and be top of the leaderboard will strive to do so.

And if the game isn't actually fun, then the devs should see that nobody is playing for the sake of their "2022 Champion" title, and consider how to make the mode better rather than propping it up with exclusive items for years so people will play a thing they don't enjoy.

Also, the stakes could have been other types of items, or glamours that would be (explicitly from the beginning) exclusive for two years before being made available to other players – long enough for bragging rights but with no permanent loss of the glamour being available.

The "exclusive for all time" approach just loses us access to some really cool glamour potential.

[Bobby66]

I fall in the camp that MMO's should have some degree of exclusive content, not everything is meant for everyone. An MMO is a living breathing world having exclusive content tied to certain subsets within the community. The exclusive content enriches the experience and feel of the game. Seeing things I cannot obtain sure sucks but it also makes said item that much cooler.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I fall in the camp that MMO's should have some degree of exclusive content, not everything is meant for everyone. An MMO is a living breathing world having exclusive content tied to certain subsets within the community. The exclusive content enriches the experience and feel of the game. Seeing things I cannot obtain sure sucks but it also makes said item that much cooler.

It can be exclusive without being permanently unavailable.



Make it x number of wins in ranked or something, but MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO OBTAIN.



You can still obtain every single PVE reward that exists. Why does PVP get to be different? Its not like those rewards drew more people to PVP, arguably because it was only top 100, less people probably played.

[Bobby66]

It can be exclusive without being permanently unavailable.



Make it x number of wins in ranked or something, but MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO OBTAIN.



You can still obtain every single PVE reward that exists. Why does PVP get to be different? Its not like those rewards drew more people to PVP, arguably because it was only top 100, less people probably played.

We already have people complaining about that PvP coat that requires X amount of wins. Let us be real people still complain about that one garo mount that is what 30 and 60 wins? I do not PvP much to know exactly. I do not think PvP should be only ones, I would love to see a special title or reward for those that cleared week 1 savage and first month of ultimate something along those lines. Game should be rewarding their hardcore players more not less.

[Magikazam]

To understand that frustration, you don't compare it to the entirety of the game's sets but to what is available to us at level one for all classes. Look through the wasteland of spy trenchcoats and modern streetwear and another freaking pair of plain wristgloves and lace-up shoes and then look at the glorious fantasy armour sets handed out to a select few who were here at the time and might have never even cared about the glamour in the first place.

In over five years of playing, I have seen ONE person utilising these outfits.




Riddle me this, why should it matter? If the game is fun, people will want to play it. People who want to take it seriously and be top of the leaderboard will strive to do so.

And if the game isn't actually fun, then the devs should see that nobody is playing for the sake of their "2022 Champion" title, and consider how to make the mode better rather than propping it up with exclusive items for years so people will play a thing they don't enjoy.

Also, the stakes could have been other types of items, or glamours that would be (explicitly from the beginning) exclusive for two years before being made available to other players – long enough for bragging rights but with no permanent loss of the glamour being available.

The "exclusive for all time" approach just loses us access to some really cool glamour potential.

Glams and title is the main reasons people do any kind of content in this game. Remove glams from every PVE content and you will barely see anyone doing any content out of roulette and MSQ.

Seriously your a whole next level of cattered casual player if you complain some people who worked a lot on being top 100 get a reward that you don't get. Only a few selected glams and tittle are exclusive, let the people who earned that have their own little things. It okay to just see something you can't get and just say ''Well too bad'' and go one whitout complaining.

[LianaThorne]

It can be exclusive without being permanently unavailable.



Make it x number of wins in ranked or something, but MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO OBTAIN.



You can still obtain every single PVE reward that exists. Why does PVP get to be different? Its not like those rewards drew more people to PVP, arguably because it was only top 100, less people probably played.

If we're gonna talk about PvE now then that's technically false. Saint & Beata and any titles related to the actual Firm ranking aren't available anymore and never will be. Pteranodon stuff is still there but acquiring the ranked titles and any associated with the event itself are gone. Having exclusive stuff isn't new to FF, especially when it comes to ranked competitions.

I personally don't mind it because it pushes me to work harder to get it, what grinds my gears are the people who use bots or other gross methods to shove people out of spots.

[Nanne]

. Saint & Beata and any titles related to the actual Firm ranking aren't available anymore and never will be.

A competition of who just happens to have most free time in a 10 day period isn't that great of a competition If it ever returns I hope its heavily changed

[LianaThorne]

A competition of who just happens to have most free time in a 10 day period isn't that great of a competition If it ever returns I hope its heavily changed

One could argue the same for pvp competitions since you need lots of time to play to stay at the top...any ranking competition that takes place online over the span of multiple days or weeks is going to require a time or financial investment to rank high.

[Necrotica]

Nothing should be locked behind pvp. The game mode is a complete mess. Locking content behind bad content is bad design.

[Anvaire]

I think things like this is where some of WOW's reward logic makes sense. On that game you get the same glam from multiple places, but wih a different colour base (they dont have dyes as far as im aware) So a way around would be to do a PVP Exclusive reward with a specific colour palet and then a slightly different one that is always available. This way you preserve the exclusivity, while also allowing the glam to be accessible. Alternatively just make it exclusive for a limited time frame.

We already see this with the Demon Gear from World of Darkness and the Indigo Rammie Casting set - its different colour pallet means that it dyes uniquely.