Prohibited Behaviour

[Juun]

For example, standing with a giant mount on a quest npc is against the rules. Same as spamming actions in hubs like holy.

>Link to the rules<

"This means using chat (including Quick Chat and Emote) to obstruct another person's conversation" this is the vaguest rule ever. What counts as obstruct another persons behavior? As I see it a person has to actually have a public conversation (one anyone can read) and another person has to deliberately spam an action to flood the chat.

People excessivly using emotes in a city hub is not doing this. Is it usrd excessivly? Yes. Its a flooding the chat to obsecure a conversation? No.

Secondly what conversation does this apply too? If one uses a lot of emotes while you are in a tell, linkshell or FC chat does it really count? Cause that person is unaware what conversations you have in private.

[Adeacia]

The rules have to be vague, if not players will get as close to breaking them as possible without actually breaking them so they can cause problems without getting in trouble.

[Juun]

Double edged sword, now people who want to complain will complain and overreact about people breaking rules eventho they technically arent breaking the rules.

[Ligier]

There are obviously many new players joining the game and i wondered if players know about the prohibited behavior and the chat rules the game has. Since they are basically really hidden and i can imagine not many players ever read them.

For example, standing with a giant mount on a quest npc is against the rules. Same as spamming actions in hubs like holy.

I have the feeling not many players actually know about all these rules and even some veteran players are puzzled when i bring them up.

Would like to hear your opinion on these rules, if you think they might be too harsh or if you like them as they are. And i also would like to know if you ever heard of these rules before.

>Link to the rules<

You are correct, i am one of those new players you mentioned. I had no idea about these rules. Not that i engage in such behaviour, watching cutscenes takes about %73 of my play time .

[Ranaku]

"This means using chat (including Quick Chat and Emote) to obstruct another person's conversation" this is the vaguest rule ever. What counts as obstruct another persons behavior? As I see it a person has to actually have a public conversation (one anyone can read) and another person has to deliberately spam an action to flood the chat.

People excessivly using emotes in a city hub is not doing this. Is it usrd excessivly? Yes. Its a flooding the chat to obsecure a conversation? No.

Secondly what conversation does this apply too? If one uses a lot of emotes while you are in a tell, linkshell or FC chat does it really count? Cause that person is unaware what conversations you have in private.

Well it is under SE rules and i also saw people for that stuff getting suspended. Spamming emotes even tho you can turn them off is a bannable offense. Which is not that weird, every decent human being should know that you don't have to click laugh thousand times in a row and if so turn the chat messages off.

You are correct, i am one of those new players you mentioned. I had no idea about these rules. Not that i engage in such behaviour, watching cutscenes takes about %73 of my play time .

This is actually nice to know, i was really curious to hear it from a new players perspective! And yeah no way nowdays to offend others in cutscenes. Back then Gaius was always massreporting players for skipping his monologue.

[Juun]

Well it is under SE rules and i also saw people for that stuff getting suspended. Spamming emotes even tho you can turn them off is a bannable offense. Which is not that weird, every decent human being should know that you don't have to click laugh thousand times in a row and if so turn the chat messages off.

Like I said what is spamming in this case? If someone uses an emote every minute and no one talks in general chat for 20minutes then your chat box is also filled with 20 laugh emotes in a row. All you gotta do then is put in a report oh look at that spam my entire chat box is filled.

With vague rules like this anyone can bend it to strenghten their argument in their favour.

[Ranaku]

Like I said what is spamming in this case? If someone uses an emote every minute and no one talks in general chat for 20minutes then your chat box is also filled with 20 laugh emotes in a row. All you gotta do then is put in a report oh look at that spam my entire chat box is filled.

With vague rules like this anyone can bend it to strenghten their argument in their favour.

That is true, i have the feeling most western players need really a fully specified rules book with everything covered to be a decent human being. I mean who could imagine that spamming /laugh as fast as i can for 5 minutes straight is a nuke for other players chats and especially console players who have the worst time of their life since they can't scroll that easily.

But i also think most offending players aren't reported cause yeah other players, me included, don't take offense in it. If someone calls me a mashed popoto if i again hit the floor as dragoon and then spams fifty times laugh on my sad corpse i just shrug it off. xD

But this isn't really about me here. There are people out there who will eventually hit the report button. And all i want is for others is to stay safe and don't lose their accounts. So i tell players and especially sprouts often about these rules so they are aware, not cause i benefit from it in any way.

[Snorky]

Like I said what is spamming in this case? If someone uses an emote every minute and no one talks in general chat for 20minutes then your chat box is also filled with 20 laugh emotes in a row. All you gotta do then is put in a report oh look at that spam my entire chat box is filled.

With vague rules like this anyone can bend it to strenghten their argument in their favour.

Except that a GM can put up a time stamped chat that is why you are asked to provide time and date and area. It is vague for a reason if you read those rules it is up to the GM to make the final determination if rules were broken and what punishment will be. They are strict apparently some people cant control themselves so they have to be. I am all for strict rules if it keeps people civil to each other.

[Kes13a]

most rules are created in the fairy tail assumption that people online have both common sense and respect for other players.

On the internet, this is generally not the case, so they are vague in the sense that a GM can determine if a behaviour is disruptive or harassing and act accordingly, and have their decision covered. If they were laid out in a rock solid manner, there are those people who would push it to the limit and then proudly say "well, I didnt do exactly this.. so its fine... you cant touch me".

I dont mind strict enforcement, but its impossible to come up with a codified laid out list of rules for player that wouldnt involve hundreds of pages to wade through since we all know at least someone that would push it to the brink just to take advantage of a loophole.

[Ronduwil]

Yeah. Players can't cover NPC's to prevent access. Atleast they cant for PC players. Dunno if an input command like that is built into Playstation controller layout.

The only NPC related progess block was stuff like Raubhan and Pippen EX...

It's not necessarily about targeting. Players were recently banned for obstructing Asmongold's experience by parking whale mounts on top of NPCs so that he couldn't even see the NPC at all. How can you target or get close to something that's hidden? Randomly walking around the room spamming 'X' or 'tab' until you hit upon a target that should have been readily visible is no fun. The ability to work around someone's obnoxiousness doesn't excuse their obnoxiousness.