Pulling During Cutscene

[Jojoya]

I want to preface this by stating that although I am speaking from experience, I am not speaking as the puller, simply as a bystander who has defended pulling during cutscene before.

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t. And no, I’m not naïve, either. I want to know, though, what you think of it.

As it stands, my thoughts are this:

Pulling during cutscene doesn’t matter. At all. It does not kick the watcher out of cutscene, and it’s not like they miss any important mechanics, either. Because one [1] they’re either going to run the content at hand again, so they will be able to see the mechanic they missed, or two [2] they’re never going to run that content again. So again, why does it matter?

And then you have the “good guys”, let’s call them. The people who will get absolutely vitriolic with you because how dare you be impatient and not wait for the cutscene watcher. It doesn’t matter if you’ve run this content a million times. It doesn’t matter how old it may be. The fact of the matter is you pulled during a cutscene and therefore you are the worst human being alive and deserve to be shunned by the rest of the ~community~.

I’m not even being hyberbolic, here. I have seen people call out pullers by name and try and get everyone else to attack them as well. But it’s okay, because these people are the heroes and the puller is the villain! Pay no mind to the harassment and threats they are dishing out because they’re doing it to “defend” a new person. I have seen people call pullers “toxic trash”, spewing expletives about how awful a person they are, trying to rally the other members of the alliance to blacklist and report. Like, hello? How is that okay? You may not agree with pulling during cutscene, but to verbally attack someone who does is not and never will be okay.

I have mentioned before that not everyone has all the time in the world to wait for everyone to watch every cutscene. And in response, I had people telling me that “if [my] time is so important, maybe [I] shouldn’t play.” Or, here’s a thought, because my free time is so limited, I want to actually, y’know... enjoy it?

The argument is always along the lines of pulling during cutscene “ruins” players experiences. Well, on the other side of that, maybe waiting for cutscene for every single piece of content, and getting reemed out by the general public if you don’t conform also ruins players’ experiences. Is it not hypocritical to become the toxic person you’re claiming the puller to be? How does that make you the hero?

This is my first forum post. But I am not stranger to the forums, I do expect to be attacked by these same “good guys” I’m talking about. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

Don't queue for MSQ roulette if you don't want to watch cutscenes. For that matter, just stop queueing for any content that includes a cutscene if you're going to be that selfish and rude. If your time is that valuable to you, you probably shouldn't be doing that content.

Someone wanting to enjoy a cutscene doesn't mean they want to miss out on the battle that follows it. With the game revolving around story and battle being a part of that story, we should be allowing them to do both. Waiting on those 15 second cutscenes aren't hurting you.

[Goji1639]

I've pulled during cutscenes before, but it's usually an accident. Sometimes I get a little trigger happy and forget to check if everyone is present and accounted for.

If you get the "new player" warning at the beginning of the dungeon then waiting for cutscenes is just common sense; if you don't you're a jackass. If no one is new but someone's still watching cutscenes then pulling before they're done isn't a huge deal, imo.

[Cabalabob]

Missed the point again didn't you? If they did that sprouts wouldn't be able to have a timely Q, plus you get extra rewards for taking sprouts through content. If you don't like it don't use the roulette. There is no debate SE wants you to be a good team member and to cooperate.

…What? Why would the devs making dungeons not have cutscenes mid run suddenly effect queues?

[lolzyking]

Damn, if only the chat said this message the first time you que into an instance. Maybe people should expect folks on their first time in an instance to want watch all the cutscenes, you know, like they did their first time.

Really the only Solution is to give folks who want to skip all cutscenes a "impatient que" with all cutscenes disabled, or atleast a que that won't pair you with anyone seeing the content for their first time.

[Goji1639]

Really the only Solution is to give folks who want to skip all cutscenes a "impatient que" with all cutscenes disabled, or atleast a que that won't pair you with anyone seeing the content for their first time.

That'll never happen. The entire point of roulettes is to give new players a way to consistently get groups for the story dungeons. SE isn't going to give people a way to avoid running them with new players.

[Wavaryen]

Tank is the person to set the pace of the group. If he wants to pull during cutscene well within his or her right to do it. If they feel they can start the fight while you enjoy the show, I'm not sure why that bothers some people. *shrugs*

[Sotaris]

Tank is the person to set the pace of the group. If he wants to pull during cutscene well within his or her right to do it. If they feel they can start the fight while you enjoy the show, I'm not sure why that bothers some people. *shrugs*

I feel like it's a dickmove cause it will cause people who is new in the dungeon possibly skip the cutscene they might want to view for x reasons or miss big parts of the fights.

I didnt like when MSQ roulette got locked cutscenes but I also remember running them first time feeling the need to skip them to see the fights. This was back in 2013 so before they forced everyone to see them.

[Goji1639]

Tank is the person to set the pace of the group. If he wants to pull during cutscene well within his or her right to do it. If they feel they can start the fight while you enjoy the show, I'm not sure why that bothers some people. *shrugs*

It pressures the new player to skip the cutscene; they even get a potentially misleading warning that the boss chamber will lock them out in 15 seconds.

I've seen people pull on new players, and most of the time the new player will bail on the cutscene because they're afraid they'll be locked out of the fight entirely, or they don't realize their absence isn't going to cause a wipe and anger everyone. Waiting for the cutscene allows the new player to enjoy it without feeling like there's a gun to his head.

[Wavaryen]

I guess I did not see it that way. It is a perspective I did not have thanks.

For me it never bother me when I was new, or when it happens on something I never seen. I am just like cool, they helping me out by getting it down some while I watch the show. So I guess some people don't see it like that.

[KitKatnip]

I watch the cut scenes my first play through. I appreciate those who give me the time to watch the cut scenes before pulling. But I know time has value and not everyone has the luxury of waiting. Once I found out you could teleport into the battle even after it has already started it hasn't bothered me too much. If the group can deal with one less dps that's fine with me (me being the dps). Now if they start pulling when the healer is still watching cut scenes, that's another story. I guess I'll see how I feel about that after I start leveling the healer jobs.