Pulling During Cutscene

[Cabalabob]

When I say you here, I’m not necessarily meaning YOU you, but rather players in general.

To answer the above:
No, people watching cutscenes are not holding up the group. This is the stance of the devs, full stop. You are running it because you want something, be it loot, xp or to help a friend. New players are also there because they want something: to enjoy the experience of their first time through the dungeon. Your wants are not more important than theirs.

SE has actively made dungeons with this in mind. Gates are there to prevent massive pulls more or less from 3.0 on, they now force cutscenes in certain instances like Nier. This is directly in response to impatient players. I am satisfied with this and would rather not SE have a more forceful hand, such as forcing all cutscenes.

Story time:

Way back I was in an ethics class with an article asking people to consider whether England or Scotland was the more religious country. It then listed various rules or policies about English businesses that restricted business times during Sundays, while Scotland did not have such rigorous rules. It then argued that Scotland was the more religious country because the people there just naturally closed or did not do business during Sundays. From Scotland’s point of view, there shouldn’t be a need for such rules.

The point was that hard rules come into place when people don’t or won’t do what the majority believe to be common sense. Now I don’t know if any of that is true, but it makes for a good story, so we’ll go with it.

In Japan, it is common courtesy to wait patiently for others. Not doing so is absolutely a faux pas in most situations. I mostly play with Japanese players and have rarely had a player pull ahead, and even when they do there is usually an “I’m sorry” when they notice that someone is in CS.

Like the story above, from the dev point of view there isn’t or shouldn’t be a need to enforce cutscene watching, but their hand was forced in prae/castrum and they’ve made an effort not to have lengthy cutscenes pretty much since 4.0 on. (HW has a few)

If you don’t want to be inconvenienced by the occasional 30 second cutscene, do not do run the content. SE gives the option to skip on the odd chance the entire party has seen it all and wants to move forward. If a player does not, it is assumed everyone has the common courtesy and will wait.

My point is that neither group should be beholden to the other and the best way to achieve that is rather than “taking a side” is to stop putting cutscenes in the middle of content. The nier raid can be forgiven because Yoko Taro’s team probably didn’t know any better, but for delubrum reginae? Shame on you dev team.

[Waterscape]

It only matter for dungeons and 24 mans , if i'm tanking i always wait for them to finish the cutscene in dungeon ofc but in a 24 mans if i'm tanking and other people decide to pull i'm not going to attack them

because people are watching a cutscene ... If you are harassing people because they are pulling while someone is watching a cutscene you should chill a bit because that is not okay and can get you ban.

And idk if it's like that in every raid now but in the last nier raid when people are watching a cutscene they are invulnerable and can't get hurt by the boss mecanic.

[Vnolan]

At a certain point the Devs need to take the blame for putting lengthy cutscenes in party content, but more importantly, they need to stop doing it. They can talk about their regrets regarding CM and Prae, but Dalriada, which just recently released, has about an 80 second cutscene before the final boss.

[Baxcel]

My point is that neither group should be beholden to the other and the best way to achieve that is rather than “taking a side” is to stop putting cutscenes in the middle of content. The nier raid can be forgiven because Yoko Taro’s team probably didn’t know any better, but for delubrum reginae? Shame on you dev team.

Your wrong.. sprouts who it's their first time there.. who queued into the duty with the actual finder and not roulette have more importance then you or anyone who is there from roulette.

The story is the main focus of this game.. the devs have said as much and forcing a new player to skip the story is just as bad as spoiling it for them.. first timers will always be the focus of the game and everyone else second..

If you can't let someone enjoy their first time threw then your more of the problem then anyone else.. and are purely the reason for unskippable scenes in MSQ.. and will be responsible for unskippables in future content too

[AngelCheese77]

Ah yes, nothing like coming to a forum where you know you will get differing thoughts and opinion, yet still act like a dingus.

Pulling during cutscenes is stupid and rude.

1. You're down a player no matter how good you think you are.
2. It's FRIGGING RUDE.
3. It puts into that player's mindset to RUSH because they don't feel in control.
and by the way
4. IT'S FRIGGING RUDE

I want to preface this by stating that although I am speaking from experience, I am not speaking as the puller, simply as a bystander who has defended pulling during cutscene before.

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t. And no, I’m not naïve, either. I want to know, though, what you think of it.
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This is my first forum post. But I am not stranger to the forums, I do expect to be attacked by these same “good guys” I’m talking about. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

[Baxcel]

At a certain point the Devs need to take the blame for putting lengthy cutscenes in party content, but more importantly, they need to stop doing it. They can talk about their regrets regarding CM and Prae, but Dalriada, which just recently released, has about an 80 second cutscene before the final boss.

No they need to step up and force all cutscenes to be unskippable.. if 10-30sec for a normal dungeon or 1min-3min for a key dungeon(stone vigil, Toto-rak) are to much for you to wait.. you shouldn't be in the roulette at all..

[AngelCheese77]

I’ve seen these white knights go on the attack myself. This community has an awful problem with the so called ‘good guys’ being awful people when trying to wear their capes. Between verbal abuse, threatening to report for the sake of an attempted ban, or even suggesting to intentionally wipe a raid so the cut scene watcher can experience that first raid wide mechanic. Is this good form?
This community claims to be so amazing, but it shows so much hostility. I already see it in this thread from Snork. I’m sure others will come

I've played since ARR 2.0 and I have not, in my recollection EVER seen any "white knighting" in game when someone pulls. Sure back then you got locked out when you were still in a CS, so that's where "waiting for the CS" was proper ettiquette.

Now? Honestly nope. Well let me correct myself. I've seen people get annoyed when those in the Crystal Tower pull before people are ready sure, and stragglers get pulled into another lane etc, but in a regular PF dungeon? I really can't recall.

Must be a specific Data center or something.

This thread and it’s responses have shown to me exactly what the op is referring to. Some of the holier than thou responses. I’m sorry op. These forums are a reflection of this community. Say or do something they don’t like, expect the negativity

Yes a small, miniscule, drop in the water on Earth is the reflection of an ENTIRE COMMUNITY. You that "one bad apple spoils the bunch" kinda person? I would facepalm right now, but you'd make my hand go through my forehead.

Monster shows up/lands, roars, battle swirl/fade effect.

You now saw 90% of the cutscenes.

*takes a seat*

You haven't played much of the game, have you?

There are more than just dungeon scenes. Did Alexander or even Crystal Tower? Gives story plot. Explains things. Ever done Coil of Bahamut? Yeah, you learn about the twins and their grandfather. Kinda long cutscenes too.

More than just spinny battle effects.

[Sotaris]

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t.

Are you serious or low effort trolling?

It is usually a common courtesy to let others finish their cutscenes before pulling anything. That is why it's an issue. When you are in a group setting, the world stops revolving around you.

it's because it's nice too let them finish the Cutscene first before you pull

Respect for other seems to be lacking from OP.

Secondly, I have a full time job. I work 48 hours a week, not including travel time. But yes, let me schedule my time better, how dare I...

Is that a excuse? I'm pretty sure you not alone in having a job :v
If yes, I'm going to go around bitching about having it so rough being a adult.

[LaylaTsarra]

Secondly, I have a full time job. I work 48 hours a week, not including travel time. But yes, let me schedule my time better, how dare I...

Seriously you're defending not waiting because you have a job and waiting the few extra seconds it gong to matter in your real life schedule. Perhaps waiting also give time to people to apply the appropriate buffs and refresh those that rarely get applied when the fast pull tanks pull right away. That would also speed up the run. I simply love DR when the tanks pull instantly or the dps for that matter ever before i can apply Shell or Protect let alone any other damage buffs people might want to apply.

Being courteous isn't a bad thing either you know.

[kaynide]

My point is that neither group should be beholden to the other and the best way to achieve that is rather than “taking a side” is to stop putting cutscenes in the middle of content. The nier raid can be forgiven because Yoko Taro’s team probably didn’t know any better, but for delubrum reginae? Shame on you dev team.

I would argue outside of castrum, there are no lengthy cutscenes. 1-2 minutes just isn’t lengthy for me. I am happy to see a cutscene if it is relevant and tells some story. I mean their alternative is to cut the dungeon off and then add a trial for the final boss like the end of Heavansward…fine..but not my taste.