Pulling During Cutscene

[kaynide]

I think biggest normal 4 man dungeons is Stone Vigil and Toto-Rak. But other than that yes.

That sounds right; For cutscenes I think the final dungeon of Heavensward has a bit of a cutscene to show who the final boss is, with another cutscene as it goes into final phase. I wanna say post HW the devs have been smart about lengthy cutscenes.

I just don’t see the need for bosses to have a 1-2 minute introduction, we have thousands of bosses that make do with just walking out and roaring at the screen. You don’t see threads about wishing a boss had more screen time before you actually got to fight it.

But.. there aren't 1-2 minute boss introductions with "bosses roaring at the screen". Nobody wants that to be longer.

Any boss that has anything longer than a 5 second intro has relevant/story important things going on (like Fractal Continuum or Toto-Rak) and even then these are rarely in that 1-2 minute mark.

[Waterscape]

It only matter for dungeons and 24 mans , if i'm tanking i always wait for them to finish the cutscene in dungeon ofc but in a 24 mans if i'm tanking and other people decide to pull i'm not going to attack them

because people are watching a cutscene ... If you are harassing people because they are pulling while someone is watching a cutscene you should chill a bit because that is not okay and can get you ban.

And idk if it's like that in every raid now but in the last nier raid when people are watching a cutscene they are invulnerable and can't get hurt by the boss mecanic.

[Vnolan]

At a certain point the Devs need to take the blame for putting lengthy cutscenes in party content, but more importantly, they need to stop doing it. They can talk about their regrets regarding CM and Prae, but Dalriada, which just recently released, has about an 80 second cutscene before the final boss.

[Baxcel]

At a certain point the Devs need to take the blame for putting lengthy cutscenes in party content, but more importantly, they need to stop doing it. They can talk about their regrets regarding CM and Prae, but Dalriada, which just recently released, has about an 80 second cutscene before the final boss.

No they need to step up and force all cutscenes to be unskippable.. if 10-30sec for a normal dungeon or 1min-3min for a key dungeon(stone vigil, Toto-rak) are to much for you to wait.. you shouldn't be in the roulette at all..

[SannaR]

At a certain point the Devs need to take the blame for putting lengthy cutscenes in party content, but more importantly, they need to stop doing it. They can talk about their regrets regarding CM and Prae, but Dalriada, which just recently released, has about an 80 second cutscene before the final boss.

You do know that most groups who want a speedy Dalriada will use the PF, right? If you're spamming it and entering it without a like minded group then yes you run the chance of getting a first timer in there. Or a person who doesn't have the skip already seen once cutscene box checked and yes there are people who haven't. If at the start of the run it gives the there's a new person message then guess what? They probably want to watch the cutscenes. Course I shouldn't be too surprised that people have zero chill when it comes Dalriada since people who had already done it a few times weren't waiting for the various others who just got to it on day one. Let alone the rest of the first week.

[AngelCheese77]

Ah yes, nothing like coming to a forum where you know you will get differing thoughts and opinion, yet still act like a dingus.

Pulling during cutscenes is stupid and rude.

1. You're down a player no matter how good you think you are.
2. It's FRIGGING RUDE.
3. It puts into that player's mindset to RUSH because they don't feel in control.
and by the way
4. IT'S FRIGGING RUDE

I want to preface this by stating that although I am speaking from experience, I am not speaking as the puller, simply as a bystander who has defended pulling during cutscene before.

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t. And no, I’m not naïve, either. I want to know, though, what you think of it.
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This is my first forum post. But I am not stranger to the forums, I do expect to be attacked by these same “good guys” I’m talking about. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

[Sotaris]

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t.

Are you serious or low effort trolling?

It is usually a common courtesy to let others finish their cutscenes before pulling anything. That is why it's an issue. When you are in a group setting, the world stops revolving around you.

it's because it's nice too let them finish the Cutscene first before you pull

Respect for other seems to be lacking from OP.

Secondly, I have a full time job. I work 48 hours a week, not including travel time. But yes, let me schedule my time better, how dare I...

Is that a excuse? I'm pretty sure you not alone in having a job :v
If yes, I'm going to go around bitching about having it so rough being a adult.

[Snorky]

The OP knew they would trigger people, heck this post supposedly is not something that happened to this person. I have not witnessed any of this behavior. If people did do what the OP said then they should be reported for harassment. However this game is about the story like it or not it's not going to change. It's rude and mean to ruin someone's first time in a dungeon. If you can't schedule your time better that's your problem. Deal with it and stop being rude, set aside the time you need to complete the dungeon or make your own group you can control. SE is all about the story if you don't like it play another game. The term 'you' is said to anyone who thinks everyone should skip content for their precious time schedule.

[Aniise]

I think it's common courtesy to not pull while a sprout and/or firsttimer is watching a cutscene. Luckily, many people share this mindset.

It's always a pleasant surprise if people wait before the last fights during the Dalriada or DR for example, and even ask if any party has a cutscene watcher. And that's not just a 30 second cutscene mind you, during content that was and might still be farmed by some people.

Adding to this, I've never seen people go off and get angry at early pullers (except during Hunts mind you, but thats another topic altogether). Only thing I've seen recently was during the last boss of Toto Rak.

The other DD, a sprout, was watching his cutscene and the tank just pulled. Because the healer joined him after a while, I decided to join too (since it wouldn't have made a difference, with the tank and healer both being in there already) and sadly we killed the boss before the sprout could finish his cutscene.

I felt very bad when all the sprout wrote in the chat was sad smiley after we were done, and I wasn't even the one who pulled. He didn't yell at the tank, the heal or me mind you, or even get angry. I think he was just...sad and disappointed. It left a very bad taste in my mouth.

[Jojoya]

I want to preface this by stating that although I am speaking from experience, I am not speaking as the puller, simply as a bystander who has defended pulling during cutscene before.

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t. And no, I’m not naïve, either. I want to know, though, what you think of it.

As it stands, my thoughts are this:

Pulling during cutscene doesn’t matter. At all. It does not kick the watcher out of cutscene, and it’s not like they miss any important mechanics, either. Because one [1] they’re either going to run the content at hand again, so they will be able to see the mechanic they missed, or two [2] they’re never going to run that content again. So again, why does it matter?

And then you have the “good guys”, let’s call them. The people who will get absolutely vitriolic with you because how dare you be impatient and not wait for the cutscene watcher. It doesn’t matter if you’ve run this content a million times. It doesn’t matter how old it may be. The fact of the matter is you pulled during a cutscene and therefore you are the worst human being alive and deserve to be shunned by the rest of the ~community~.

I’m not even being hyberbolic, here. I have seen people call out pullers by name and try and get everyone else to attack them as well. But it’s okay, because these people are the heroes and the puller is the villain! Pay no mind to the harassment and threats they are dishing out because they’re doing it to “defend” a new person. I have seen people call pullers “toxic trash”, spewing expletives about how awful a person they are, trying to rally the other members of the alliance to blacklist and report. Like, hello? How is that okay? You may not agree with pulling during cutscene, but to verbally attack someone who does is not and never will be okay.

I have mentioned before that not everyone has all the time in the world to wait for everyone to watch every cutscene. And in response, I had people telling me that “if [my] time is so important, maybe [I] shouldn’t play.” Or, here’s a thought, because my free time is so limited, I want to actually, y’know... enjoy it?

The argument is always along the lines of pulling during cutscene “ruins” players experiences. Well, on the other side of that, maybe waiting for cutscene for every single piece of content, and getting reemed out by the general public if you don’t conform also ruins players’ experiences. Is it not hypocritical to become the toxic person you’re claiming the puller to be? How does that make you the hero?

This is my first forum post. But I am not stranger to the forums, I do expect to be attacked by these same “good guys” I’m talking about. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

Don't queue for MSQ roulette if you don't want to watch cutscenes. For that matter, just stop queueing for any content that includes a cutscene if you're going to be that selfish and rude. If your time is that valuable to you, you probably shouldn't be doing that content.

Someone wanting to enjoy a cutscene doesn't mean they want to miss out on the battle that follows it. With the game revolving around story and battle being a part of that story, we should be allowing them to do both. Waiting on those 15 second cutscenes aren't hurting you.