Why is the Cruise Chaser mount from the Mogstation?

[KizuyaKatogami]

And just like that, the "less content than the Mogstation" argument has been completely obliterated. There's nothing left to piece it back together with.

Just like the multiple posts of people in here trying to defend the lack of content with the pandemic when content was already missing. Funny how those people become quiet whenever i mention that

[BunniEclair]

I never said or implied that I think of myself as better or more principled than the people who bought the mount nor that I'm going to stick it to the man, unlike other posters, and why would I: I've bought stuff from the mogstation myself and will continue to do so if there's content on it I want and find worth my money
I just personally think think that it's wholly overpriced and not worth it, hence my comment earlier in the thread, and that people who demean others who have similar views as poor people being jealous seemingly have never experienced financial hardships, or at the very least, known someone who did, because they wouldn't talk like that otherwise.
I don't know why you think I'm looking too much into it, though



people can enjoy and buy whatever they want, but other people are also allowed to criticize said things and have a different opinion on it if they want to, I never said people aren't allowed to buy stuff from it in any of my posts lmao
on the other hand, you have people doing just that, using this mount in some vain attempt to flex on people who don't like it for various, different reasons, because monetary reasons are the only reason, in their eyes, for why someone might not like it (or the whale)
I mean, just look at their posts
they can do whatever they want with their money, but treating 30 bucks as if it was a few pennies doesn't sit right with me, having gotten to known many poor families through work



I agree with you here, I don't think the CC is some writing on the wall kinda thing and is "just" poor form from SE, if you wanna call it that

And I never said people aren’t allowed to criticize the decision. I just think the doom and gloom and moral grandstanding over what is imo a pretty ugly optional mount is a bit much. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My bad, though. I assumed when you said “some people have principles” I read it with a different tone than you intended. Thanks for the detailed response to clarify! I agree with most of what you said about certain responses being in bad taste, chalking up to “lol sounds like poor people”. I just generally don’t think the whole cash shop is a big deal, and have a hard time imagining real people buying $30 game assets for any sort of flex reasons. While it’s not pennies, it’s definitely not a crazy amount of money to spend in general, unlike say the emotes that come with the free statue.

[Infindox]

No, it's not that. I'm just "scared".

Most of the MMORPGs I've played is the same history:

Start to play > the game starts to gaining popularity > the company release a superfluous item on market for the game, nobody cares > more items added, and 1-2 person start to notice, but the majority say "they just need more money, these items are superfluous..." > more and more items added on market, and the game start to decay > everyone blame the market to have the best items for the game now.

Maybe that was not the case, but I can't help worry.

I don't want to bother reading this entire thread so I don't know if someone has said this, but the cash shop funds go directly to the xiv team and have helped fund making new servers before. Whereas money from subscriptions and buying the game goes to Square Enix and they have taken money before from the game to fund other projects in the company.
I also doubt that XIV will become like that anytime soon. Everything on the cashshop is completely optional, and the boosts do nothing more then get you to end game faster, but you still have to learn your job the same way everyone else does. (Only thing I'm iffy about is extra retainers but you can survive without them) There's plenty of in-game mounts that you need to work towards to obtain and personally some of my favorites (the XII bike, savage mounts like Omega and the Skyslipper, Ozma, the Extreme fights final mounts like the Phoenix and wolf, etc). The game also doesn't constantly push buying things in your face. I personally don't mind throwing the team some money to get something nice every once in awhile.

[TTiscancer]

And I never said people aren’t allowed to criticize the decision. I just think the doom and gloom.

You know it's a slippery slope that has ended in the exact same place in every MMO ever, right?

First "it's just a mount lol stop freaking out"

Then "it's just some minor stats that don't matter, stop freaking out lol"

Then it's "Oh you don't wanna invest 100e into the cash shop? TOO BAD GET FKED LOL!"

Look at BDO. Have fun playing that game without pets, weights and costumes that give massive benefits.

[Juzjuzz]

I watched WoW circle the drain for years and yes, I viewed every game or MMO the exact same way as you do because of it. But it's really not like that here. The game is not in decline. Maybe it will be eventually. No one can see the future, but I think we'll be okay for awhile. Everything you are reading on the forums right now is an extreme overreaction to something trivial. Don't let that cloud your judgement. You will be better for it.

Didn't the guy said that it start when the game is at it's peak? That's when adding things like cruise chaser in mog station is perfect. Since there is many good things in game, ppl will just say "it's fine".
The game is the lube at this point.

[Adamantini]

I don't want to bother reading this entire thread so I don't know if someone has said this, but the cash shop funds go directly to the xiv team and have helped fund making new servers before. Whereas money from subscriptions and buying the game goes to Square Enix and they have taken money before from the game to fund other projects in the company.
I also doubt that XIV will become like that anytime soon. Everything on the cashshop is completely optional, and the boosts do nothing more then get you to end game faster, but you still have to learn your job the same way everyone else does. (Only thing I'm iffy about is extra retainers but you can survive without them) There's plenty of in-game mounts that you need to work towards to obtain and personally some of my favorites (the XII bike, savage mounts like Omega and the Skyslipper, Ozma, the Extreme fights final mounts like the Phoenix and wolf, etc). The game also doesn't constantly push buying things in your face. I personally don't mind throwing the team some money to get something nice every once in awhile.

I really want you to be right and me wrong. As I said, I'm just scared, nothing more.

I've never complained about out-of-character mounts (like a fat moogle that takes two people), past events items, or iconic NPC outfits, but this mount raised a red flag for me, as I can't see why it isn't obtainable in-game somehow.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I really want you to be right and me wrong. As I said, I'm just scared, nothing more.

I've never complained about out-of-character mounts (like a fat moogle that takes two people), past events items, or iconic NPC outfits, but this mount raised a red flag for me, as I can't see why it isn't obtainable in-game somehow.

Twintania and sleipnir mounts aren't obtainable in game. Those are from 7ish years ago.

There is no sudden red flag

[Alexandre_Noireau]

I understand that you people don't know how the real world works.

You are welcome for the lessons.

The fact someone made something and can't sale it how they want. You out of your mind.

Oh, excuse me, didn't knew you had the monopoly of objectivity and reality.
Funny, i pay my sub through my job, which is a philosophy, history and ethics teacher. Good to know im being teached lessons here. Phew, wouldn't know how to do my job without you.

You would have a point about that last part if it wasn't clearly an Unethical predatory capitalist explotative practice. The gaming industry is a shithole is thanks to people like you that don't have two fingers in front of them to tell when they are being served a proper product or are being ripped off - And above all, celebrate it as a thing of status like for example:

I bought it immediately.

Many in this thread are just trying to disguise saying "i don't have $30".

In the end the supporters of the cash shop are all about this really. Indoctrinated to the core by the explotative unhealthy and hiper individual-competitive capitalist mindset of: "If you don't have it, don't are not worth it." Just to drawn imaginary lines of well being between them and the rest: "I can afford it = im better."

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When i see this company providing a proper service for the consumers i will maybe start beliving in microtransactions like those, cosmetics and ALTERNATIVE mounts to the ones in game.

I play from Chile, south america. I don't even have a Datacenter and whenever this game struggles with theirs up there in the north, i just cannot play and many others like me. When you think the servers are doing "bad" is when you start to experience what i experience every day.

From where i stand there is no evidence nor sign that the cash shop helps the health and function of the game.

All i read are individualistic, petty people that camp threads dissuading anyone dissident or in a diferent condition than themselves - Actual capitalist ideology at it's best: Not to blame you though, the north emisphere has always profited from it while in the south emisphere we face the actual consecuences of this mindset: "I can afford it - im better."

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When servers issues that have been historical are solved.
When server limitations that have been historical are solved.

In fact SE profits from those limitations - Extra retainers being the main example.
I bet they will put an extra paid glamour slots instead of actually solving their code or increasing the server capacity for items.

I might consider the valid existence of a cash shop as feature that adds and doesn't substract from the game - right now it just takes away from it - not as far as to say it recives more content than the game itself: but it recives content that the game doesn't and thats wrong no matter how you cut it - Not optional but mandatory microtransactions.
On the other hand SE might just come clear and explicitly say where the money is going, how much it actually needs, what are the true expenses of this whole ordeal.

Till any of that happens, the cash shop will remain an unethical feature that has no place in a game that charges a subscription.

[Vahlnir]

Didn't the guy said that it start when the game is at it's peak? That's when adding things like cruise chaser in mog station is perfect. Since there is many good things in game, ppl will just say "it's fine".
The game is the lube at this point.

One cash shop mount (or even any that followed) were not and are still not what caused problems with WoW. The problems go much deeper than that. Now, offering "free" mounts for locking in a 6 month subscription is an issue, but that's more of a symptom of the game's many issues. They add them to the shop anyway if people don't want to do that.

[Wavaryen]

Oh, excuse me, didn't knew you had the monopoly of objectivity and reality.
Funny, i pay my sub through my job, which is a philosophy, history and ethics teacher. Good to know im being teached lessons here. Phew, wouldn't know how to do my job without you.

You would have a point about that last part if it wasn't clearly an Unethical predatory capitalist explotative practice. The gaming industry is a shithole is thanks to people like you that don't have two fingers in front of them to tell when they are being served a proper product or are being ripped off - And above all, celebrate it as a thing of status like for example:

Again, You are using words that you clearly don't understand the meaning of.


You not getting your way, them selling something they made and want to sale is not " Unethical predatory capitalist explotative practice".


I'm ok with saying you don't like it. I'm ok saying you wish it was in the game. However, I have a serious problem when you telling people who make something how they must sale it. Or even they are doing something wrong by wanting to make a profit off the labor they did.


As I said the level of pure ego to even say something like that. You don't get your way, so you going to put in question, and use morality to make it seem like you are right. Like I'm trying to help you here, that is wrong.