Lack of pve content

[Theodric]

Even when feedback is constructive, there's a swarm of players - who have been invested in the game for years and likely aren't going to quit anytime soon - swooping in to downplay any and all criticism of the game, though.

This thread, in itself, isn't particularly callous. So I'm not sure why it's being treated with such contempt.

[Divinemights]

We had 3 savages and 1 ultimates, which is equivalent to 1 week + 5 days prog (I assume TEA is 1 week prog), I will round to 2 week prog

2 week prog in Wow is 2 Mythical raids, they have 3-4 mythical raids (without even considering Heroic raids) per extension

Why such lack of pve content ? for a MMORPG that want to become better/the #1

(I still consider FF14 better than WOW overall, but this lack of pve content is a bit upsetting)

PvE is not just about raiding.
Beside PvP, everything provided in game are considered PvE, it doesn't need to be hard core raiding
If you have that mindset, you are in the wrong game.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Honestly i know people are saying resources are scarce etc which, i think a majority of us know. Everything requires resources, manpower yada yada etc etc. The thing is, 14 has been shafted times and time again due to SE’s other projects. Just look at ff16. Took a good chunk of our dev team to be put towards that instead of 16. Instead of people trying to defend the devs, raise awareness. We should be asking for more not less. We can argue all day and all night about what content we lost why we lost it excuses for each side etc etc. But really we should be raising awareness to it period, so that 14 gets the attention it deserves from SE. It baffles me how people fight each other over common knowledge that 14 doesn’t get the resources it deserves meanwhile we have games like flopvengers using our money and resources only to bomb on release.

[Ronduwil]

This thread, in itself, isn't particularly callous. So I'm not sure why it's being treated with such contempt.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally hold contempt for the concept that more raid = better MMO because I fled WoW to escape that philosophy. To be quite honest, the constant addition of raid content to the game is detrimental to the game for various reasons:

• Every new raid tier renders all your old gear obsolete. This is great for raiders, but if you're a casual player who has yet to meet their item level goal, the new raid tier inevitably comes with a slew of catchup gear that blows whatever level you were aspiring to out of the water. You're reset to a new baseline and handed a new unattainable goal. It honestly feels like chasing a carrot on a stick while running on a treadmill.
• Casual raiding guilds aren't clearing the raid in the first month, the way the elite guilds are. When there's a "content drought" between drops, casual guilds actually have a motivation to progress into and through harder raid content. The next raid content drop kills all motivation to progress through that content. Players simply abandon their progression and move on to the easier raid content with the better gear drops.
• Developing raid content is extremely time consuming. More, better, and faster raid content development comes at the expense of literally everything else in the game. Blizzard has fallen back on time gating every bit of non-repetitive casual content to try and disguise the fact that they're only creating about 6 hours worth of it for each raid tier. As for the repetitive content, they've drastically increased the amount required to attain even the most basic of rewards to the point that many players have simply given up on doing it.

Given that WoW is currently on the decline while this game continues to gain prominence, I don't think that aspiring to emulate WoW's raid content drop cadence is a wise move. If you want a new raid every 3-6 months, go play WoW. Nothing says you can't play both games.

[ForteNightshade]

Maybe they are truly developing it with player feedback into consideration.

Just like Star Citizen?

Even when feedback is constructive, there's a swarm of players - who have been invested in the game for years and likely aren't going to quit anytime soon - swooping in to downplay any and all criticism of the game, though.

This thread, in itself, isn't particularly callous. So I'm not sure why it's being treated with such contempt.

Because it's always about presentation. Implying the only endgame content is Savage and Ultimate basically undermines everything else people enjoy while coming across needlessly dismissive, especially with the WoW comparison. I, for one, actually agree the game lacks endgame content to an extent. But not in the way OP sees it. I want better content longevity. Hence why I'm a huge fan of bringing over M+ with its own design for FFXIV. I'd like to see more done to expand on Deep Dungeon.

All in all though. OP didn't really provide anything but to complain. Which is why the thread isn't viewed highly.

[Theodric]

The problem is, it isn't just raid content being viewed with contempt by a vocal portion of the community. It's the idea of any content that might actually have some staying power/depth to it.

I really like what Eureka and Bozja bring to the table, for example. Yet players who are not the target audience kick and scream about how it is supposedly 'terrible' content and then the development team scrap plans for future content along those lines.

Yet if anybody dares to suggest that maybe we could do with less focus on fluff content, the floodgates open and people are outright attacked.

I'm interested in a healthy variety of content to appeal to a broad variety of tastes, ideally without major cuts and skewed priorities. As it stands, even before Covid-19 entered the picture a lot of content has been scrapped for what is arguably flimsy reasoning.

Personally I'm hoping that the recent influx of WoW refugees will increase the volume of the demand for more PvE and PvP content.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Personally I'm hoping that the recent influx of WoW refugees will increase the volume of the demand for more PvE and PvP content.

We might actually get people that agree with criticism instead of ones that try to hide it xD

[Ronduwil]

Hence why I'm a huge fan of bringing over M+ with its own design for FFXIV.

No, thank you. The amount of elitism that M+ brings with it is a huge reason WoW is no longer fun to play. They've literally integrated a rating score into the game so that players can more easily exclude others from their groups while pushing their M+ keys. The game is now elitist for you so that you personally don't have to be. YoshiP has expressed distaste for this type of gameplay, and I'm happy that he's done so. I prefer a game that I can play with my friends without having to boot them from the group for underperforming. I'd rather step up my own game than ban someone from my groups for their inability to step up theirs.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Just like Star Citizen?

Which isn't an MMORPG, nor a simple videogame at this point.
It might be disgusting vaporware for some, i find it gross for example.

But if it's still there is for a reason: Is no Chronicles of Elyria for example, now THAT would be a more fitting example.

[Ronduwil]

Personally I'm hoping that the recent influx of WoW refugees will increase the volume of the demand for more PvE and PvP content.

As a WoW refugee, I don't think it will. I don't switch from the steak house to the vegetarian restaurant in the hope of getting them to serve me filet mignon. I left WoW and switched exclusively to this game precisely because it was providing all the stuff that WoW lacks. I don't want this game to change to cater more heavily to the content that I fled to begin with!