Lack of pve content

[TTiscancer]

So to conclude from your argument, if raiding isn't hard then whats the issue with having more of it? If you are content with every other content that is easy, then whats wrong with having more by your definition reasonable content in like more savage raids?

Because, again, it would take away content from other areas. Content that most people actually want to play.

[Theodric]

Someone being incompetent doesn't make the task they are failing at hard.

I don't agree that it has anything to do with 'incompetence' in many cases. Again, inherent difficulty exists and ultimate raiding is legitimately difficult. So, too, is ranked PvP and solo clears of the higher floors in POTD and HOH.

[Solebound]

The bolded part, thats according to you or from something more official?

Considering how the devs consider savage content premier content you sure about that?

Its optional to do yes but the devs and a large amount of players take interest in it, the whole gearing system in FF14 is designed with savage raids in mind, the whole job balance and skills we have is made with raids in mind.

To me that says a big aspect of the game meat is centred around Savage and Ex.

Yeah I dont know what this person is going on about.

Savage/EX has always been a big part of the game since bahamaut. You do normal to get an idea of what the difficult versions would be like, if you want to attempt. As far as I understood class balance has always centered around making it easier to preform in difficult content.

They even class balanced (somewhat) in pvp recently. Take to the official forums voice your concerns, and the devs are pretty good about trying to fix or implement if they can. Hell there is going to be major changes in Endwalker and am looking foward to it.

It was a culture shock to me when I came back and realized that tank stance dance was no longer a thing (rip shield/sword oath) or healer stance dancing was no longer a thing (rip cleric stance)

Some of us mid cores just want to see this done with dungeons as well

its already easy to implement

There are already 2 duty roulettes for level 80 and expert. Make expert actually live up to its name and level 80 can be the normal snooze fest that it is.

I wish people would stop looking at theses ideas as "this is an attack on the kind of content I like and if you dont agree with me gtfo".

This mentality and gatekeeping needs to stop. We need these conversations so we can have a better game unless you want another dalamud situation in eorzera

[Solebound]

You saying I'm a "casual" is laughable just because I don't want the game to turn into a raiding game, and I will voice and defend that opinion whether you like it or not.

No content is challenging once you beat it. There is no such thing as "challenging content", just new. That's the biggest myth about "hardcore raiding", that it's actually hard forever. If that was the case, it would be impossible to sell carry runs.

It not about liking/disliking your opnion

Your being dismissive

You are gatekeeping the game

You are close minded to the fact that others want something different then what your accustomed to

Dont like savage/ex/ultimate/pvp dont play it. 14 allows any kind of playstyle not just "normal content"

ON this we will agree to disagree

But Im not going to sit back and watch you attack others because they dont conform to your own.

FFXIV is not only about normal causal content. You need a wakeup call. People play this game for many different reasons

What may appeal to you or be fun to you is not going to be the same to me or anyone else

Diversity of opinions is not going to kill this game, being toxic and gatekeeping will.

And i will repeat I'm glad there is a surge of new players so that stuff that's being said on discord in private chats will make its way here and get implemented

[Ranaku]

Fates, Hunttrains, Alliance Raids, Savage Raids, Ultimates, Delubrum (also the hard version of it), Dalriada, Ex Trials, Bluemage Log and the Morbol Mount, Roulette, Treasure Maps, Deep Dungeons, Bozja.

And probably more i forgot to name. Saying there is no pve content is stupid and insane. Saying you don't like the pve content i can understand. Not to mention that most player haven't even touched Ultimates so all the past Ultimates are also pve content for them.

And yes, i also would like a new deepdungeon and a second dungeon for every patchcycle and i think some of the latest dungeons were really ugly and not fun. But yes, there are hundreds if not thousands of hours of pve content.

[EaMett]

This thread degenerated fast. There are 7(?) years worth of hard content. Enjoy those and come back to the forums once you've run out of pve content to run simple as that. << I'm saying this as someone who is out of pve content to run.

[Kaliesto]

Criticism -

I'm gonna bring attention to the Elephant in the room regarding the FUN FACTOR of PVE Content.

1) The Dungeons, it can be fun for maybe about a few months until you start to realize how much you hate yourself. There is just nothing to mix it up for old and new content alike, and because of this they need to come up with some new roulettes that can bring in a variety of different effects into these dungeons to keep things fresh because doing them over and over and OVER again its not really fun if nothing has changed.

- Also Alliance raids could benefit from that too!

2) The Hunts, its fun for maybe about months to a year until you get sick of it just to get a Mount achievement. Unless you're extremely dedicated to this game that you can get one or both of the mounts within 6 months, but you're literally going to have to chain yourself to FFXIV just to make it happen, you shouldn't do that to players like that for making the achievement so ridiculous to get.

3) FATES, rehashing the same battle structures doesn't make it fun. FATES could have been improved upon over time, so that FATES can always remain fresh per each expansion (give people a reason to do FATES more often rather than having to tolerate it).

4) The Firmament, it was nice idea until you realize how nuts the crafting difficulty can get and how many points its calling for just for that dinosaur mount. This is one of those things again that it doesn't respect the player's time, and making crafting feel more like work than fun when you have to deal with luck and difficulty when crafting those items.

Also you know why bots continue to exist to get around some of this? Well I hate to say it to the FFXIV devs. but when you want players to stare at a screen of content that can quickly get boring over time that they'll use a bot while they play something else. I don't like bots and neither does everyone else on this forum, but the reality is that is why bots are there in FFXIV.

Also I'm starting to notice some kind of development weakness when they tried to tack Bozja on old FATES because no one wants to do them because its BORING.

Yes I know giving the Devs. a lot of crap right now, but I'm frustrated at the fact that for years they could have mixed it up abit per expansion...but they continuously refuse but just walk the safe path of mediocrity and taking too many cues of the MMOs of old that failed.

Sometimes though...sometimes they do try and I have noticed that, the Rathalos Boss was interesting because it wasn't usual rinse-and-repeat content that I've come to expect too much, I wish the Devs. would try to get out of their shell more.


Finally yes there is plenty of PVE content, but half it suffers from mediocrity.

[Ranaku]

What the game really needs is pve content or in general more content for free companies. Free companies are basically neglected into oblivion by now.

[EverQuest]

You appear to missing the necromancer title get to work.

[FoxyAreku]

There is no end of PVE content to do, for example, the crafters in this expac built an ENTIRE CITY

We went in, saw the wreckage left by the War, by the time we were done Ishgard had not only been Restored, but a new player housing district had been created.

I have never ever had the chance to be part of something this epic and absolutely uplifting.. ( God alone knows we need a few things to make us smile and laugh at the moment...we will be locked down till October and each day is harder than the last....)

FF 14 isnt about raids and savages alone.

Yeah that sounds cool when you phrase it like that, but when you remember it was just crafting the same item over and over about 1000 times and turning it into a vendor, it suddenly becomes a lot less epic.
Calling Ishgard restoration 'content' is kind of a joke tbh.