Recognizing parasistic game design decision

[Puremallace]

yes but none of the things you mentioned in final fantasy even implies character progression, none of it actually ever offered any power, therefore its also not "borrowed power". if palace of the dead was "borrowed power" you may aswell call the gold saucer borrowed power. for your comparison to make sense palace of the dead would need to actually make my character stronger, thereby effectively forcing me to do it if i want to be at the top during the given expansion and than actually take these boons away from me afterwards.

ok then. When is the last time they added new features to Palace of the dead. It can be parasitic design but also not be abusive because it is optional. Do you think they are ever going to add new content to Eureka? Bodzja?

Palace of the dead is not a core or supporting design feature of Final Fantasy 14. It falls under optional content but without a doubt it has been abandoned with no hope of any changes.

[Nothv13]

ok then. When is the last time they added new features to Palace of the dead. It can be parasitic design but also not be abusive because it is optional. Do you think they are ever going to add new content to Eureka? Bodzja?

No because they are not meant to be ongoing. They are meant as side activities. Borrowed power systems as seen in WoW are not side activities but instead core to your progression.

[Wavaryen]

ok then. When is the last time they added new features to Palace of the dead. It can be parasitic design but also not be abusive because it is optional. Do you think they are ever going to add new content to Eureka? Bodzja?

Palace of the dead is not a core or supporting design feature of Final Fantasy 14. It falls under optional content but without a doubt it has been abandoned with no hope of any changes.

Because it does not need changing? It is design for players who enjoy it. A title that you can get out of it, if you pick to master it. And can be used as a leveling tool. Also some people use it to make some gil.


Like what more do you want in a game? It is content, that has value.

[Rayo]

ok then. When is the last time they added new features to Palace of the dead. It can be parasitic design but also not be abusive because it is optional. Do you think they are ever going to add new content to Eureka? Bodzja?

Palace of the dead is not a core or supporting design feature of Final Fantasy 14. It falls under optional content but without a doubt it has been abandoned with no hope of any changes.

If I recall, returning to Palace of the Dead is an optional route for the resistance weapon grind. On top of that Palace of the Dead acts as the ending point of one of a fan favorite side story as well as being a player challenge dungeon if people want to reach the final floor and get some cosmetic awards (a title and piece of housing furniture to prove you climbed to the top).

[Akiudo]

ok then. When is the last time they added new features to Palace of the dead. It can be parasitic design but also not be abusive because it is optional. Do you think they are ever going to add new content to Eureka? Bodzja?

Palace of the dead is not a core or supporting design feature of Final Fantasy 14. It falls under optional content but without a doubt it has been abandoned with no hope of any changes.

considering that this year alone i cleared both palace of the dead and heaven on high more than once in different groups simply because it a) still is fun to me and b) people in my fc/friendlist wanted to experience it pray tell why they should change it ? it still has use (going in solo for the challenge, farming it for mounts/to make money, leveling characters/just doing it because i can to waste some time because i feel like it), some of my fc mates are actually currently going through eureka for glamor so again, why does it need change ?

when i said "making it optional is NOT a fine line" i meant it. the fact that it is optional, absolutely not required but does in fact offer rewards people may or may not want makes it perfectly fine for the system not to evolve or you might aswell start complaining they don't evolve riichi mahjong even though its in the game.

[Andy_T93]

ok then. When is the last time they added new features to Palace of the dead. It can be parasitic design but also not be abusive because it is optional. Do you think they are ever going to add new content to Eureka? Bodzja?

Palace of the dead is not a core or supporting design feature of Final Fantasy 14. It falls under optional content but without a doubt it has been abandoned with no hope of any changes.

WHAT? Huh? You are confusing abandoned with complete, POTD is complete it has had its ending. And even if that wasn't the case how is the power borrowed. What power is/was POTD lending us?

[CaptainFishSticks]

I don't feel like FFXIV is in much danger of the same borrowed power systems that WoW inevitably had to introduce; but one thing to keep in mind, they introduced those systems solely for the reason that the designers did not feel like just leveling and optional side content was enough to keep players busy and actively playing their game. So with Warlords, they introduced the Garrisons--a system that you had to grind and max out in order to get any sort of relevance. Those were abandoned for Legion when the Artifacts came out, and we had to grind Artifact Power just to stay relevant. Then those were phased out for the Heart of Azeroth, which we had to grind in order to stay relevant.

They introduced these things because they had to find out a way to keep players playing their game. Whereas by contrast, Yoshi-P has expressed that if players are running into a wall and have no desire to continue playing in between patches, that they should definitely take breaks from the game. He and the dev team make their game so that we can enjoy it at our own paces.

[Jeeqbit]

Obviously if you get Bozja you can compare it to a lot of what WoW has been doing in its recent expansions, with the Lost Actions, valor, succor and fortitude grinds, relic grinds and DR savage.

The difference is that it's all optional with no sign of that changing. You can just do savage with a crafted weapon and loot a savage weapon and feel accomplished.

When I'm asked by former WoW players what the biggest differences are in this game I tell them it's that all these grinds are optional and you do it for mounts, glamour or even fun. If you're trying to say this is a bad thing then I disagree because it's what is drawing people to this game.

[Nothv13]

The difference is that it's all optional with no sign of that changing. You can just do savage with a crafted weapon and loot a savage weapon and feel accomplished.

Exactly. All these things are optional and don't just vanish. You can still do PoD, HoH, Eureka, etc and your progress in them never goes away unless you do something (like pulling your weapons out of HoH or PoD). Instead these act as sources of glamour or optional way to level a new job. They are no where near what the borrowed power systems are in WoW.

[CaptainFishSticks]

Obviously if you get Bozja you can compare it to a lot of what WoW has been doing in its recent expansions, with the Lost Actions, valor, succor and fortitude grinds, relic grinds and DR savage.

The difference is that it's all optional with no sign of that changing. You can just do savage with a crafted weapon and loot a savage weapon and feel accomplished.

When I'm asked by former WoW players what the biggest differences are in this game I tell them it's that all these grinds are optional and you do it for mounts, glamour or even fun. If you're trying to say this is a bad thing then I disagree because it's what is drawing people to this game.

Exactly this. It is intentional design to allow you to either choose if whether or not you want to grind for the relics, or to just simply complete and earn rewards from Savage content.

Or you can just ignore all of this and simply play the game how you want to. You're not locked out of anything nor are you left at a severe disadvantage compared to other players.