New Player Flag... off?

[Naoki34]

The only way to permanently remove the sprout icon is to play the story. I believe the first quest in Shadowbringers will knock it off. Good luck.

You are not well informed, potato.

As said above, it can be done the second you can access the chat with a command hidden in an indigestible list of commands /...

[MirielleLavandre]

I think Moonfish means permanently remove- you can use the command to temporarily remove it, but you'll have to do that every login I believe.

[Naoki34]

I've done more than 5 rerols for different reasons, it doesn't come off at every login. It's permanent.

/novicestatus off

It's funny who talks without checking.

[MirielleLavandre]

I was replying because it seemed Moonfish said permanently- however since the sprout icon didn't exist when I started I never had to worry about it. However I'd still believe having it on is more helpful than hurtful. People honestly seem to go out of their way to be more kind to sprouts.

[Seera1024]

Not the stated reason, no. The group last night claimed it was because I wasn't contributing DPS due to not using an aoe (which I didn't have access to). And the previous time, the reasoning was "wasting our time by watching a cut-scene".

You were better off not in the group that wasn't willing to listen to someone who was on the class that they didn't have an AoE skill at that level. Especially in Copperbell Mines. Hope their replacement was a Dragoon/Lancer so they could continue to not have someone who could AoE.

As for the kick for watching cut scenes. If someone claims that in chat in game, report them. That's not acceptable. Especially if you're doing that dungeon for the first time and even moreso if it's one of the ones with story in it and there are a handful of longer ones in game with story cut scenes before final boss or upon entering.

[Goji1639]

The sprout flag is important so the party knows who to vote kick if anything goes wrong.

[Breakbeat]

Not the stated reason, no. The group last night claimed it was because I wasn't contributing DPS due to not using an aoe (which I didn't have access to). And the previous time, the reasoning was "wasting our time by watching a cut-scene".

You do realize that in this game, that kind of stuff is actionable, right? Both of these, if they are as you described, fall under misuse of the vote-to-kick system. So, next time people kick you out of a group for "watching a cutscene," or not using AoE that your character doesn't have access to, file a report.

I mean, IMVHO it's not worth filing a complaint. But it's certainly more productive than coming here to complain.

On topic: I've rarely seen a nicer, more reasonable group than the FFXIV community. For better or worse, I've spent the majority of my life behind a computer screen, communicating with people out there on the internet (since the days you had to dial in with a state-of-the-art 1200 baud modem), so I have many thousands of hours of experience with different online communities. The FFXIV community is like a glowing angel with a halo compared to the forums and community of "the other leading MMO".

- Discussion here is more civil, constructive, and on-topic than what is commonly seen. I'm comparing this to the last two MMOs I played; my post counts on their forums are some 8,000 total, so I have a fair idea of how folks tend to behave, how they react and what topics they like to discuss.

- Random groups in this game are far more friendly, considerate, helpful, and positive than elsewhere. My sample size on this, so far, is admittedly quite small. ~175 hours of gameplay, ~50 random groups including light and full party stuff, trials and raids, normal and hard modes. Out of those fifty groups, I've been greeted maybe 48 times, thanked about the same number, made a lot of mistakes, did a couple dumb things, and learned as I went instead of looking things up. I've not had a single complaint from another player yet. To the contrary - I've had other players try to help out when I'm having trouble nearly every time I'm doing something noobish and dumb. This leads me to believe my gaming experience won't change drastically as I spend more time here.

/shrug. YMMV I guess.

[Rasler_Heios]

Unfortunately, no everybody plays the game by going through the expansions. You can skip right through the latest expansion. So the expansion argument you have doesn't really carry count.

Again, it's not how you define it. What matters is how the game defines it. if you no longer consider yourself a newbie after level 18 it doesn't mean everybody else has to be. You are repeating arguments that everybody else sees already as pointless. Stop being a troll.

[TaleraRistain]

In FFXI it also has a 'new player' flag. But it can be disabled at any time, so once you have a handle on the game's systems and mechanics you no longer get branded with that stigma.

This is where you get things wrong. It's not a stigma. We're very fond and protective of our sprouts in this game. We try to preserve their positive experience. We try to be helpful and understanding of mistakes. An occasional bad apple may try to be mean or hard on sprouts, but they will often get a whole lot of hate coming their way for it.

I'm also going to agree with Liam_Harper. I've been playing MMOs for over 20 years. But I was still a sprout and still had things to learn back when I started this particular game in 2014, just like in any of the various MMOs I've played over those years. If you go in thinking you know everything, you will soon discover that you really know nothing.

[MilkieTea]

This is where you get things wrong. It's not a stigma. We're very fond and protective of our sprouts in this game. We try to preserve their positive experience. We try to be helpful and understanding of mistakes. An occasional bad apple may try to be mean or hard on sprouts, but they will often get a whole lot of hate coming their way for it.

I'm also going to agree with Liam_Harper. I've been playing MMOs for over 20 years. But I was still a sprout and still had things to learn back when I started this particular game in 2014, just like in any of the various MMOs I've played over those years. If you go in thinking you know everything, you will soon discover that you really know nothing.

I'm very upset that I don't have my sprout icon anymore. ;-;.

I've only been playing since november, and this character in december. i'm still very much new! But now there's a huge expectation that i'll know things that I don't ahah.