FCs buying multiple plots

[Sotaris]

Almagnus keep asking to prove facts but when get same treatment he turns 180.

Why are you so defensive? :')

[Kenky]

Almagnus keep asking to prove facts but when get same treatment he turns 180.

Why are you so defensive? :')

You expect anything different from them at this point?

In any case, back onto the topic at hand (or what is left of it, at least!) The main issue is when the houses were purchased. Using what Jojoya had stated earlier as example, the Mateus "Hoarders". They did it when it was a dead world, only to get hate later when people claim they lost their chance when they had already shown they weren't going to move to Mateus to get the housing. In that case, the player has no ground to stand on.

I'm also more-so on the fence that an FC owning multiple houses is fine, provided they actually make use of the land they own. Such as growing in their gardens, decorating and such. Instead of just buying it for e-flexing power.

In that respect, I personally believe the separation of "Private" wards and "FC wards" could (on paper) fix a few issues. Splitting apart the house-hunting horde into smaller groups, based on their personal desires. Meaning server burden is more spread out, making it harder for bots to flood that particular district. (Note. Hard, not Impossible.) not to mention less overall competition per plot, meaning chances are higher. (were it not for the Lottery system.. Plenty of fangs on that topic, but I feel i've said my piece about that in other threads)

Doesn't fix the inherent supply issue we have, which is (again, on paper) an easy fix with just elevating the Apartments to house-esque levels of equality. So that the only reason to buy a ward house is the physical property, rather than gardening / size. But that is a pipe-dream at this point.

[Jojoya]

Well,
maybe the Island sanctuary might be a little something to ease the demand of housing because often ppl just demand to be able to use the gardening stuff. And I've been given to understand that it'll probably be instanced (probably going to be a somewhat limited content, if I have to hazard a guess, though)

I suspect it's not going to help much because in the end gardening isn't that popular. We'd see a lot more garden plots in use for crossbreeding if it was truly a primary reason to own a house.

Access to gardening ends up more of an excuse tacked onto reasons why the player should have a house ("so I'll already have access if I ever decide to do it") than an actual goal. If someone's interest was solely in gardening, it's not difficult to find a house owner that isn't using their garden and ask to be made a tenant(the owner can always grant garden access but block access to furnishing placement/removal, etc.). That's what I did when I was without a house prior to 4.2 ward addition. A friend made me his tenant and I started actively using his garden patch (though he refused to place the Deluxe one because he hated the scarecrow lol).

YoshiP has been very clear that Island Sanctuaries would have no competitive element. The marketboard is the most competitive element in the game. That means whatever we can grow on the Island Sanctuaries will not be the same as what we are currently growing with gardening, nor will we be able to trade/sell whatever it is to other players.

I'm also more-so on the fence that an FC owning multiple houses is fine, provided they actually make use of the land they own. Such as growing in their gardens, decorating and such. Instead of just buying it for e-flexing power.

I have to disagree. Every FC owning multiple houses via member alts is another player or FC unable to get a house. Why should certain FCs be special with access to double Grade 3 actions on a daily basis when a FC with only one house can only get is one every 3 days and FCs without a house can't get them at all?

I also doubt that there are that many legitimate FCs that are multiple house owners. Most of them are going to trace back to solo players operating shells FCs for personal wealth and flexing it at other players by using the same FC tag for all their FCs.

There are two things I'd like to see happen with Ishgard's release (since I know they're not going to give us the good instanced housing system that we need). First is to finally set up all characters on same world/same account as co-owners of a house so they're officially tenants. Second is for them to crack down on the multiple house ownership that has been occurring since the 4.2 changes. If someone had ownership of the house (along with leadership of the FC if it's a FC house) prior to 4.2, then they're grandfathered in. I have no problems with that. It's those who have purchased additional houses since 4.2 that SE needs to address.

[NanaWiloh]

You expect anything different from them at this point?

In any case, back onto the topic at hand (or what is left of it, at least!) The main issue is when the houses were purchased. Using what Jojoya had stated earlier as example, the Mateus "Hoarders". They did it when it was a dead world, only to get hate later when people claim they lost their chance when they had already shown they weren't going to move to Mateus to get the housing. In that case, the player has no ground to stand on.

I'm also more-so on the fence that an FC owning multiple houses is fine, provided they actually make use of the land they own. Such as growing in their gardens, decorating and such. Instead of just buying it for e-flexing power.

In that respect, I personally believe the separation of "Private" wards and "FC wards" could (on paper) fix a few issues. Splitting apart the house-hunting horde into smaller groups, based on their personal desires. Meaning server burden is more spread out, making it harder for bots to flood that particular district. (Note. Hard, not Impossible.) not to mention less overall competition per plot, meaning chances are higher. (were it not for the Lottery system.. Plenty of fangs on that topic, but I feel i've said my piece about that in other threads)

Doesn't fix the inherent supply issue we have, which is (again, on paper) an easy fix with just elevating the Apartments to house-esque levels of equality. So that the only reason to buy a ward house is the physical property, rather than gardening / size. But that is a pipe-dream at this point.

Awww I remember when personal housing first dropped those were the days. Plots open everywhere barely anyone around, handful of medium and large plots were open. Snagged my first plot in the lavender beds 1st ward plot 55 took me two weeks to gather the gil paid 2.8mil. Stayed on that spot until SHB then transferred to shiro then to the Goblet when I found a Med open late one night. Miss those days of seeing plots open and people knowing they had time

[Kenky]

I have to disagree. Every FC owning multiple houses via member alts is another player or FC unable to get a house. Why should certain FCs be special with access to double Grade 3 actions on a daily basis when a FC with only one house can only get is one every 3 days and FCs without a house can't get them at all?

I more-so meant genuine FCs owning multiple housing is fine, provided they use what they have. At the end of the day, they got the plot through (for examples sake) legitimate means so nobody can yell at them for being underhanded. If a player can go out of their way to get more things faster, than a small percentage of players will try to get those things faster. Putting a limit on how fast you can gain things is always a slippery slope and, depending on the playerbase or company in question, can mean disaster if improperly handled.

Shell-FCs do not get any remorse whatsoever. They shouldn't even be a thing, but the "solution" to fixing the shell-FC issue.. Will unintentionally harm smaller communities (single-digit FCs for example) and drive people to have to actually cull their numbers to ensure they have active players to avoid the metaphorical axe.

[Almagnus1]

YoshiP has been very clear that Island Sanctuaries would have no competitive element. The marketboard is the most competitive element in the game. That means whatever we can grow on the Island Sanctuaries will not be the same as what we are currently growing with gardening, nor will we be able to trade/sell whatever it is to other players.

That's something I want more clarification on, as I interpreted that to mean "solo instance" and not "cannot generate stuff that can be sold".

I have to disagree. Every FC owning multiple houses via member alts is another player or FC unable to get a house. Why should certain FCs be special with access to double Grade 3 actions on a daily basis when a FC with only one house can only get is one every 3 days and FCs without a house can't get them at all?

What if it's one legitimate FC and multiple members have personal houses? I would be fine with that tbh.

I also doubt that there are that many legitimate FCs that are multiple house owners. Most of them are going to trace back to solo players operating shells FCs for personal wealth and flexing it at other players by using the same FC tag for all their FCs.

This, on the other hand, needs to stop.

First is to finally set up all characters on same world/same account as co-owners of a house so they're officially tenants.

IMO this should have happened a long time ago, and all alts for the owning account should just be owners (and not tenants), and everyone should get a port to all the houses they own (so players get grandfathered in). And then SE forces them to release ALL but one property should the player ever wish to relo somewhere else.

Second is for them to crack down on the multiple house ownership that has been occurring since the 4.2 changes. If someone had ownership of the house (along with leadership of the FC if it's a FC house) prior to 4.2, then they're grandfathered in. I have no problems with that. It's those who have purchased additional houses since 4.2 that SE needs to address.

This needs to be done carefully and not with an arbitrary line in the sand over date of acquisition. Shell FCs need to go away, and tbh, I don't care when they were created as long as the shell FCs (and ONLY the shell FCs) either get axed or have their houses freed and unable to reacquire land until certain conditions are met that would be basically invisible to a legitimate FC. SE should have never allowed these FCs to exist in the first place as they exemplify "this is why we can't have anything nice".

[Almagnus1]

Shell-FCs do not get any remorse whatsoever. They shouldn't even be a thing, but the "solution" to fixing the shell-FC issue.. Will unintentionally harm smaller communities (single-digit FCs for example) and drive people to have to actually cull their numbers to ensure they have active players to avoid the metaphorical axe.

SE's inaction is going to cause that to happen because they didn't seriously address this issue when people started getting wards (likely because they never expected that FFXIV would have the population issues it is having now).

[Sotaris]

Awww I remember when personal housing first dropped those were the days. Plots open everywhere barely anyone around, handful of medium and large plots were open. Snagged my first plot in the lavender beds 1st ward plot 55 took me two weeks to gather the gil paid 2.8mil. Stayed on that spot until SHB then transferred to shiro then to the Goblet when I found a Med open late one night. Miss those days of seeing plots open and people knowing they had time

Those were the days when you had to scrable 50m as a collective to even afford a small house for the FC.

I remember my first small was like 5m and I remember the same view, empty lots literally everywhere. 2013-2014 was a good time to play lol

[Besame]

I remember in early 2017, walking into the Beds housing district and seeing a little cluster of small plots, I think they were about 7 mil, maybe a little less. I picked the one I liked and put everything I had into buying lol, Then a few months later, I managed to nab a medium someone had got rid of in Ward 1 while just cruising around. I think it was like 17 mil. Very soon though after I had first purchased the small, one person with several alts bought the other 4 small houses in that cluster. I just had the med house for years til my hubby decided to quit the game leaving me with a small house FC on my hands too. I keep it mainly to run subs/ships. I am not really a raider anymore so it is something I enjoy in my old age hehe.

[Nepentha]

Notice the bolded part? Given what's being discussed, I felt clarification on this point was necessary as the word "money" in this context is ambiguous. I mean, I said as much in a follow up post:

Why are you being so defensive about this?

Man you read into things. You made an assertion. I'm asking you to prove it. Which.... you have not done yet. Because leaps of logic aren't proof of anything. Of course you know this and are just being disingenuous again because you think you're oh so clever.