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    I had come to the same conclusion but they should have been fed up with Ibered always getting away and put him down proper this time. When do they learn?
    It was more than obvious to me that not only was Ilberd evil, he was also quite raving mad. I would not have held back.
    The thing is with FF14 is you never know when the characters are going to show mercy and when they are going for the kill and the reasons for how they act is not always clear. Some you want dead, they spare, yet some you would spare they put to the sword.
    It's one of those were you have to read the book to understand the reasoning. If there was a book.
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    In D&D terms, your opponent drop to 0 hit points. If you used subdual damage for that last strike, they are still alive and breathing. If you did not, they are dead, dead, dead, but only after three unsuccessful death saves.

    Personally, I enjoy either outcome as the story requires it. It is still better than watching some Horde ex-Warchief interrupt your perfectly good battle to take the points for the kill himself.
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    You don't usually kill someone unless you actually need to because they didn't lay down their arms or other behaviour before you got a killing hit on them.

    You don't always succeed at killing someone because they get away or they are that good that they can survive a warrior like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarryme View Post
    I had come to the same conclusion but they should have been fed up with Ibered always getting away and put him down proper this time. When do they learn?
    It was more than obvious to me that not only was Ilberd evil, he was also quite raving mad. I would not have held back.
    The thing is with FF14 is you never know when the characters are going to show mercy and when they are going for the kill and the reasons for how they act is not always clear. Some you want dead, they spare, yet some you would spare they put to the sword.
    It's one of those were you have to read the book to understand the reasoning. If there was a book.
    Once more, cause spoilers.

    Canonically, your character didnt know that you were going to the Wall the fight Ilberd. You knew that the Griffin was running a ploy to trick the empire into thinking the alliance had attacked. You didnt even know if it was the man himself leading the attack, or his body double. So you went to find the person leading the attack, and convince them to withdraw and stop fighting. An offer to speak before the alliance leaders was likely to be your opening bid. When Ilberd took off the mask, it was likely not only too late to change the plan, but too late to change the outcome of the fight.

    Lets say you were given the option and you put him down at the end of the fight without the long speech. His people are still sacrificed, the eyes are still there to lend aether, and his death still completes the summoning ritual. Shinryu still forms, only now its "your fault". Either Y'shtola or Papalymo would recognize the pieces of the ritual and give you the requisite lore dump. Then Papalymo still dies because we have to try to contain the newly forming primal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizze View Post
    Once more, cause spoilers.

    Canonically, your character didnt know that you were going to the Wall the fight Ilberd. You knew that the Griffin was running a ploy to trick the empire into thinking the alliance had attacked. You didnt even know if it was the man himself leading the attack, or his body double. So you went to find the person leading the attack, and convince them to withdraw and stop fighting. An offer to speak before the alliance leaders was likely to be your opening bid. When Ilberd took off the mask, it was likely not only too late to change the plan, but too late to change the outcome of the fight.

    Lets say you were given the option and you put him down at the end of the fight without the long speech. His people are still sacrificed, the eyes are still there to lend aether, and his death still completes the summoning ritual. Shinryu still forms, only now its "your fault". Either Y'shtola or Papalymo would recognize the pieces of the ritual and give you the requisite lore dump. Then Papalymo still dies because we have to try to contain the newly forming primal.
    Funny how the whole party shouted at once " I knew it was him"
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