Open plea to the Devs

[Jojoya]

Should paying members be entitled to every rare drop/mount/minion also? How many times do I need to gather a group together, defeat some difficult monster and then not even see the loot I was hoping for; nevermind actually win it. Should I not be simply ENTITLED to all of it by defeating the monster ?

You're resorting to hyperbole. That's not constructive.

With the exception of the ranked PvP rewards, there are no other rewards in the game limited in quantity so only a certain percentage of players can own one other than house plots.

You want that rare mount that drops in a raid? You can farm it until it drops and you win the roll. The game is not going to go "so sorry, all out of that mount." You want an Ultimate weapon? You're free to go farm Ultimate to it. That others got them in the past doesn't prevent you from getting them now.

So why does this game have that unnecessary restriction when other games that have implemented housing don't? Even LotRO, which uses its version of wards, doesn't have this problem. They add a new Neighborhood to a world when all existing Neighborhoods on that world fill up. Worlds with higher populations have more Neighborhoods than worlds with lower populations so players aren't locked out. And of course it's not a problem at all for games that only use instanced housing.

Why must it be a problem here?

[Catstab]

With the exception of the ranked PvP rewards, there are no other rewards in the game limited in quantity so only a certain percentage of players can own one other than house plots.
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Why must it be a problem here?

Ranked pvp standings for titles, glamours, mounts
Ranked Ishgard standings for titles, etc
Persistent housing wards with placards and directories posting names

The first two are designed with exclusivity as an outspoken part of their design and are intended to foster interest and competition centered around rewards.

There may not be "ranks" in housing but there is definitely exclusivity. After so many years of the housing system being what it is, it seems like the exclusivity is intentional. The housing system even increases SE's profits, since 45 days without a sub means losing the house, and 80 days without a sub means losing all placed decorations as well.

[Kniteroad]

Ranked pvp standings for titles, glamours, mounts
Ranked Ishgard standings for titles, etc
Persistent housing wards with placards and directories posting names

The first two are designed with exclusivity as an outspoken part of their design and are intended to foster interest and competition centered around rewards.

There may not be "ranks" in housing but there is definitely exclusivity. After so many years of the housing system being what it is, it seems like the exclusivity is intentional. The housing system even increases SE's profits, since 45 days without a sub means losing the house, and 80 days without a sub means losing all placed decorations as well.

It was definitely meant to be exclusive, especially if you consider the price of even a small house before it was reduced significantly. That was my point, and will probably not change anytime soon without significate changes to the way housing works. With the massive amounts of new players, there is no way there will ever be enough housing for everyone to have it. That is why I keep comparing it to mounts, because having a house in the current system is nothing more than owning a trophy. It does not hinder or provide advantage to any other aspect of the game with the exception of gardening which I hope they prioritize in separating from housing in the near future.

[Catstab]

That is why I keep comparing it to mounts, because having a house in the current system is nothing more than owning a trophy. It does not hinder or provide advantage to any other aspect of the game

Yes, but as you can see, people happily throw back the response "but everyone who wants to can kill Eden Savage, can kill TEA, and get their loot, its infinite!" So I find it's better to compare it to Saint of The Firmament, or to the top-100 Feast mount. Only a certain number are awarded per server. And some went to players that are alts, because they're driven people. That is not wrong, it's simply the nature of an MMO.

[xenahawk]

its not really a matter of being entitled and yes just like anything else you have to put in some work to get one but you have to admit that the hurtles for housing once you unlock it is without comparison. all the other "rare drops" you bring up all have well a reasonable timer to contend with. you might not get something on the first run but again you are running the timer of that instance and only have to put in X amount of time at one sitting and dont lose out completely because you had to run to the bathroom or whatever. hell even mounts for the most part have RNG protection that you can buy the mount after so many failed attempts. personally i feel even though RNG gods arent very kind to me if they have in the works the lottery system i wish they would role it out sooner rather then later. on that note player housing is one of the things that drew me to the game and it does get pretty disheartening to basically have it out of reach

[Kniteroad]

its not really a matter of being entitled and yes just like anything else you have to put in some work to get one but you have to admit that the hurtles for housing once you unlock it is without comparison. all the other "rare drops" you bring up all have well a reasonable timer to contend with. you might not get something on the first run but again you are running the timer of that instance and only have to put in X amount of time at one sitting and dont lose out completely because you had to run to the bathroom or whatever. hell even mounts for the most part have RNG protection that you can buy the mount after so many failed attempts. personally i feel even though RNG gods arent very kind to me if they have in the works the lottery system i wish they would role it out sooner rather then later. on that note player housing is one of the things that drew me to the game and it does get pretty disheartening to basically have it out of reach

Except not all drops have a reasonable timer to contend with. EX trial mounts and those that come from beast tribes and the like are all easy to get by those of us who like to collect mounts. There are still mounts/titles/ etc that can only be obtained by a small population by design. Feast mounts and the saint of the firmament title for example. I've said that a few times now on on this thread alone. In other MMOs there are things you need to compete for, and not available to the "entitled". Just cause i pay a sub doesn't mean I'm entitled to a gladiator mount in WOW as an example.

And i feel like if player housing was something that drew you to this game will be disheartening even when you get a house. I never really understood this as it never seemed like housing was a big selling point of FF14. that being said, decorating is FF14 is also a terribly designed system and sometimes is just as frustrating as get a house (this maybe an exaggeration XD ) as if you want anything cool you have to glitch it in place. If housing is the main content you wish to partake in FF14 then that is entirely your call but there may be other games better suited for you.

[Kniteroad]

I suggested in the megathread that they create instanced housing for FCs and turn all current housing into personal. This way FCs can upgrade and customize their house as a group. Anyone who created an FC to flip housing and for those just want to be able to do submersibles can without diminishing other people's experience. I thought it was a reasonable compromise. I have high hopes for island sanctuaries such that it solves the requirement for houses in order to garden. Which should be separate. So that housing becomes pure vanity content.

[Almagnus1]

I suggested in the megathread that they create instanced housing for FCs and turn all current housing into personal.

I imagine there's quite a few FCs that like being where they are, especially if they have gotten a large house for the FC. I doubt many of those are going to want to move to an instance.

This way FCs can upgrade and customize their house as a group.

Most FCs will forbid this permission to most of their members. This is actually a point for why FC housing isn't as all servicing as many wish it were.

Anyone who created an FC to flip housing and for those just want to be able to do submersibles can without diminishing other people's experience.

IMO giving us a workshop access via Garlond Ironworks in Revenant's Toll would be the simpler solution here.

I have high hopes for island sanctuaries such that it solves the requirement for houses in order to garden. Which should be separate.

While I too have high hopes, I am not expecting this to happen unless I see something from SE that states otherwise as all current information indicates this is merely hopium and not anything that's actually going to happen.

[Jojoya]

I suggested in the megathread that they create instanced housing for FCs and turn all current housing into personal. This way FCs can upgrade and customize their house as a group. Anyone who created an FC to flip housing and for those just want to be able to do submersibles can without diminishing other people's experience. I thought it was a reasonable compromise. I have high hopes for island sanctuaries such that it solves the requirement for houses in order to garden. Which should be separate. So that housing becomes pure vanity content.

Island Sanctuaries farming will be different from housing gardening. YoshiP has said there will be no competitive elements and current gardening is competitive through MB sales. That means different items used for different purposes will be added.

I think a lot of people forget that farming includes raising livestock and we've been given some very pointed hints that minions will be heavily involved in Island Sanctuaries. It's possible the farming they talk about will be raising minion livestock and any crop growing will be food for them or sold to a commodities NPC in exchange for other items needed. What little information we're getting makes me believe it's not going to be anything like what players are expecting/hoping.

[Almagnus1]

Island Sanctuaries farming will be different from housing gardening.

What proof do we have of that?

YoshiP has said there will be no competitive elements and current gardening is competitive through MB sales. That means different items used for different purposes will be added.

Or it could mean it's all solo PvE and there will not be a leaderboard, which would also be non-competitive. I think what you're saying is a bit of a stretch tbh.