I really hope than Fandaniel and Zenos are not... (spoilers)

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yea It's Lahabrea's glyph... But he should be rather dead after HW...

And if there's Ascians involved in there, it doesn't have to be just a single one... And currently, the only Ascian that's known about really is Fandaniel.

Idk why people assume he’s dead. Even Ishikawa herself said it’s unknown. He wasn’t trapped by conventional means. It’s like the people who think Emet’s dead when he wasn’t even trapped in the auracite lmao.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Idk why people assume he’s dead. Even Ishikawa herself said it’s unknown. He wasn’t trapped by conventional means. It’s like the people who think Emet’s dead when he wasn’t even trapped in the auracite lmao.

Well, yes. It's hard to say definitively that they're in fact dead... But I seem to remember it being very heavily implied by Emet-Selch that Lahabrea is actually dead. And by both Elidibus and Fandaniel at Emet-Selch died in the cutscenes after the Hades fight.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Well, yes. It's hard to say definitively that they're in fact dead... But I seem to remember it being very heavily implied by Emet-Selch that Lahabrea is actually dead. And by both Elidibus and Fandaniel at Emet-Selch died in the cutscenes after the Hades fight.

That’s what they felt happened. But considering he wasn’t trapped in auracite, which we’re told is the only way to effectively defeat them, the logical conclusion is he’s somewhere in the lifestream.

[Enkidoh]

That’s what they felt happened. But considering he wasn’t trapped in auracite, which we’re told is the only way to effectively defeat them, the logical conclusion is he’s somewhere in the lifestream.

The insinuation was that Thordan turned him into aether which he then consumed to sustain his Primal 'Knights of the Round' form (ironically just like how Leviathan did the same thing to the Sahagin Elder whom Elidibus uplifted with the Echo) - Thordan outright states that, that souls are "just aether, regardless if they're mortal or Ascian" (paraphrased), suggesting Lahabrea was now dead and gone permenantly, burned up like so much fuel.

Elidibus's comments cemented that even further stating "I alone remain" ( of the Unsundered) in the stinger of ShB. So there is a lot of questions as to the new raid coming in EW showing Lahabrea's glyph... but... given what Pandemonium was in past FF games (and it's etymology in mythology), it pretty much underlines that "death is manflu for Ascians".

[Nothv13]

That’s what they felt happened. But considering he wasn’t trapped in auracite, which we’re told is the only way to effectively defeat them, the logical conclusion is he’s somewhere in the lifestream.

Which I think makes sense as with Emet literally showed up to bail us out against Elidibus. It could very well be that a substantial enough attack scatters their aether enough to make it seem like they are dead and thus they need something more than just their own will to reform.

[Larirawiel]

Maybe they will summon Lahabrea as a primal. I guess Fandaniel did know him well enough. So it is possible that a Lahabrea primal will act like the original one. Ascian primals are possible.



Cheers

[CaptainLagbeard]

That’s what they felt happened. But considering he wasn’t trapped in auracite, which we’re told is the only way to effectively defeat them, the logical conclusion is he’s somewhere in the lifestream.

The Auracite isn't really an absolutely necessary step.
The reason they couldn't be killed was because they could use their powers to escape to The Chrysalis (the place where you fought against Nabriales) and freely recover there, then come back and just take over a new body. The Auracite's entire purpose was to stop them from teleporting away after their host body was destroyed and their soul could actually be finished off while they were stuck inside the Auracite.

[Rinhi]

Elidibus's comments cemented that even further stating "I alone remain" ( of the Unsundered) in the stinger of ShB.

and yet the WoL summons emet to get them back from the void :P

[Rymi64]

and yet the WoL summons emet to get them back from the void :P

Wol summons a shade of Hades, not the actual hades for the record

[Nothv13]

Wol summons a shade of Hades, not the actual hades for the record

Odd for a mere shade summoned by an incomplete soul (according to ascians) to have the ability to call back not just one but 8 people back from literal oblivion.