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  1. #11
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    Wilford111's Avatar
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    Faux Ears
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    That's what essences are for.

    You can already get sub 25 min runs.
    Say it for the people in the back!
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  2. #12
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    TeraRamis's Avatar
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    Tiffah Lockhart
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 82
    Once you learn it, it's pretty much faceroll content as-in. As I discussed in another thread, I feel like the learning curve itself is rather steep (and correspondingly unforgiving), but the vast majority of groups seem to avoid any stumbles.
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  3. #13
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    That's what Valor is for.
    Full Valor is basically ilevel 520, and because many people are increasing their valor DR is going faster and faster as more people catch up.
    Plus Essences = very fast runs.
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  4. #14
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    You can also get 10 stacks of valor.
    Yeah, but that takes 200 million mettle for each 10 stack, 600 million total.

    or

    2400 Zone 3 Fates

    200 DR runs

    So easy . . . (heavy sarcasm)
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #15
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    Liam_Harper's Avatar
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    Reason it goes so slow is because people in pug groups don't seem to want to use essences.
    It's more that the people who do want to use essences have moved to 15-20 min PF groups, which leaves DF with a majority who don't care and hour long runs. Which is basically what the no-essence players told us to do. "If you don't like it, don't join Duty Finder". Fair enough, we won't.
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  6. #16
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    Adrian Gungnir
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    Brynhildr
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    Some of us like their content not completely brain-dead.

    IMO most of the content in FFXIV is pretty brain dead along with Delubrum, I'm still yet to be challenged in normal content! ._.

    That Diablo Armament may have been the closet to almost not being brain dead, but it still suffered from it.

    Except Savage Raids, those will never be brain dead. >_>
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  7. #17
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Firm fan of the rolling mountain, where as time rolls on, and participation, things get more and more accessible (minus ultimate). I don't think the participation calls for further nerfs to this content yet though. It's not a good move when many are enjoying it as is or it's the current end wall of content with quite a bit more time to go before the next wall. Of course also fan of min sync concepts for those who want to relive the moment as it was intended (but at the age that is really being done it's so few ran that there should also be the mountain rolled on aspect). If the game was more hardcore focused it wouldn't be a good trait but this game is clearly leaning on the more casual friendly side (and the population shows it, that said there still needs to be content for the people who spend a lot more time / want to play to a higher caliber.. so activating the mountain roll early isn't great, but I really like that for the most part everything does meet the rolling mountain).

    On the aside of consumable powers, mentioned it before, but I'm fairly certain if you used a different mechanic people would use them more. If you could socket one into cooldown no consumption or if like x uses = Perma learn. Some people just really don't flow with the consumable concept. For some it's just not a fun thing. Like I /really/ dislike the FFVIII / FFXV magic system. Of course I'll never choose failure over a personal quirk, but I don't enjoy it. Raiders used to the food and potions probably wouldn't understand it but I've seen a few people come forward to talk similarly. I bet if the system changed that far more people would use it. Though of course some no matter what won't use it... But they are usually the same one who is not using the rest of their kit too... So... Lol /shrug then. :P
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    Last edited by Shougun; 08-08-2021 at 07:27 AM.

  8. #18
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    RdehlikaJenma's Avatar
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    R'dehlika Jenma
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    Spriggan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Yeah, but that takes 200 million mettle for each 10 stack, 600 million total.

    or

    2400 Zone 3 Fates

    200 DR runs

    So easy . . . (heavy sarcasm)
    It's easy. time-consuming does not mean hard. I got to 10/10/6 just while leveling everything to 80
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  9. #19
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Yeah, but that takes 200 million mettle for each 10 stack, 600 million total.

    or

    2400 Zone 3 Fates

    200 DR runs

    So easy . . . (heavy sarcasm)
    You don't need all 10 stacks. You only need 10 stacks in DPS.
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  10. #20
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    It's more that the people who do want to use essences have moved to 15-20 min PF groups, which leaves DF with a majority who don't care and hour long runs. Which is basically what the no-essence players told us to do. "If you don't like it, don't join Duty Finder". Fair enough, we won't.
    This is very true. For once, I suggested some of my friends who’s late to delve into BSF to give the DRn PFs a try. Very few times I’ve seen them wanting to run with pugs ever since then. One of those few times they pugged they just left whenever seeing LB3 bar fully charged in first boss.

    When they need certain essence they’d hit me up if I can set up a short farming session together. Easy peasy short farm for a large collective group’s benefit~

    Suggestion for the OP: give those PFs a try. You’ll less likely want to run with pugs anymore & will probably see how a nerf would just break the content further. (As if Zadnor medal buffs isn’t already breaking stuffs!)
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