Need help / advice for this tank roulette situation

[SannaR]

rescue pulled?

What you never had a healer go to the next pack and use rescue on you? It's fairly rare and there are times that it is a healer doing so to their tank friend who supposedly doesn't mind it. However there are also times when a healer doesn't care about a tank who might be rusty or unsure of their skills and feel like they're pulling too slow or whatnot and rescue the tank into the next pack.

[Negotiator]

What you never had a healer go to the next pack and use rescue on you? It's fairly rare and there are times that it is a healer doing so to their tank friend who supposedly doesn't mind it. However there are also times when a healer doesn't care about a tank who might be rusty or unsure of their skills and feel like they're pulling too slow or whatnot and rescue the tank into the next pack.

No, that sounds like fun tho. Pull me into it!

[Izar_Chillen]

I must ask , what region do you play in?

I ask this because here and elsewhere on Reddit ( the meme or tales of subreddit) all these reports of such players seem to be all North American based data centres.

Im on an EU data centre , and like everyone , we to have had the big influx of players , yet , like always most sprouts are just "hi , O/, elo, im new , any tips" or dead silence when doing dungeons even when a veteran dps doing dailes is in the grp or a vet healer (if im not that role myself) pulling more .

Personally in all my time playing Iv never seen an" abundance " of thin skinned tank/healers moaning especially after the recent player influx , at all.

Am I just lucky or is it something about NA players culture, that seem to spawn these issues ?

[LittleArrow]

I must ask , what region do you play in?

I ask this because here and elsewhere on Reddit ( the meme or tales of subreddit) all these reports of such players seem to be all North American based data centres.

Im on an EU data centre , and like everyone , we to have had the big influx of players , yet , like always most sprouts are just "hi , O/, elo, im new , any tips" or dead silence when doing dungeons even when a veteran dps doing dailes is in the grp or a vet healer (if im not that role myself) pulling more .

Personally in all my time playing Iv never seen an" abundance " of thin skinned tank/healers moaning especially after the recent player influx , at all.

Am I just lucky or is it something about NA players culture, that seem to spawn these issues ?

As you guessed, I do play on the NA region data centers.

I cannot comment on the "thinskinned' nature of tanks, but I have to say, this is not the majority of my experience, even if, as I said, it has been on a steady increase compared to the last 10yrs I played the game (including 1.x in that timespan).

I apologize if I make it seem like it's happening every other roulette. It's happening often enough that I'm uncomfortable going into roulette as anything but a tank, but I know i need to suck it up and get over it.

I really disagree with the behavior, and it's honestly in opposition to what this community has taught me as an online gamer. Still, I can only control myself, and it gives me courage to see others agree that this behavior isn't appropriate, as well as advice on how to handle it going forward.

[StriderShinryu]

I'd imagine the tank themselves may be a little unsure of what they're supposed to be doing. They feel the pressure to be the leader and to multi pull, but maybe they're not sure if they're doing the right thing or aren't confident in their ability to handle a multi pull. Maybe they're not confident in how their healer performed on the last pull. Maybe they're just coming from a different game where pulls are handled a little differently.

The best thing you can do it just try to communicate with them. Other than that, I just try to always stay behind the tank. If that means the run is a little stop-starty instead of being smooth then it's not really that big of a deal. But, yeah, if the tank is just a jackass then you should either try a kick or leave yourself. At least try talking to them first though because maybe it really is a question of confidence or knowledge.

[Fyce]

"Sorry, I thought you were gonna pull more since you moved all the way here. I went a little too far. My apologies." should be enough. It the tank throws a tantrum after that, then simply schrug it off.

Also, you shouldn't run into this issue frequently. There's no reason to hug the tank so much that you can't stop in time when they do. As you said in your edit, this is a very specific situation. It seems that you're generalizing something that shouldn't have happened more than once or twice.
If you can't tell when a tank is going to stop, simply keep your distances. It doesn't matter if you miss a GCD or whatnot in a dungeon.

Finally, this game has roles. And one role of the tank is to pull enemies. This is not the healer nor the DPS' job. Your gameplay isn't being compelled by other as much as it's being compelled by the game itself.

[Rinhi]

This is not the healer nor the DPS' job

says you
nothing keeps anyone else from pulling enemies and then moving them towards the tank who can easily pick those enemies up with 1 (one) AOE aside from the tank's ego

[Arrius]

says you
nothing keeps anyone else from pulling enemies and then moving them towards the tank who can easily pick those enemies up with 1 (one) AOE aside from the tank's ego

Or you could just finish those which are stuck on the tank and let them get the next group(s).
I am pretty sure those who frequently tank know of their limits, while they remain unsure about the skill of the healer they have in the group and perhaps play it a bit safer than usual.

And, yes, many still can't keep up with clearing groups fast enough, so it becomes a problem for the tank/healer. Bardam's Mettle and the first groups in Holminister Switch/Dohn Mheg are clear examples of this.

[Rinhi]

Or you could just finish those which are stuck on the tank and let them get the next group(s).
I am pretty sure those who frequently tank know of their limits, while they remain unsure about the skill of the healer they have in the group and perhaps play it a bit safer than usual.

And, yes, many still can't keep up with clearing groups fast enough, so it becomes a problem for the tank/healer. Bardam's Mettle and the first groups in Holminister Switch/Dohn Mheg are clear examples of this.

or you could pull big, test your and the group's limit with pull sizes and adjust accordingly afterwrds instead of being scared about possibly dying and wiping

[Arrius]

or you could pull big, test your and the group's limit with pull sizes and adjust accordingly afterwrds instead of being scared about possibly dying and wiping

When I pull, I pull big. Or, used to, in pugs.
And believe me, there are enough cases where I end up hitting the dirt in the above said dungeons, even with defensive cooldowns fired. Either by healers/DPS not equipped/skillful enough to clear the groups fast enough.

At times it really shows that leveling in potd/hoh makes for subpar players when facing actual dungeons that are somewhat demanding.

Seeing Black Mages still using Transpose in Level 72+ rotations shows how much DPS care for staying on top with their job.