Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

[RyuDragnier]

Mentoring in Ex fights doesn't mean to do all the work. I remember a discussion you were part of in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. It was about tanks who don't even have the reflex to turn on their tank stance (even when aggro is clearly all over the place). This is the average experience in Mentor Roulette when it comes to Ex fights. People expect the fights to be a faceroll. You can't possibly tell me it's a mentor's job to put up with this. Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.

I have yet to see somebody do all the work in the EX fights you get from Mentor roulette. Simply because, and you forget, you are sync'd down and the fights have enrages, it is not possible for a single sync'd person to carry an EX run. Every run I get into everybody is trying to pull their own weight, because nobody queues up in DF for an EX expecting to get carried, you do unsync'd for that.

[Nethereal]

I have yet to see somebody do all the work in the EX fights you get from Mentor roulette. Simply because, and you forget, you are sync'd down and the fights have enrages, it is not possible for a single sync'd person to carry an EX run. Every run I get into everybody is trying to pull their own weight, because nobody queues up in DF for an EX expecting to get carried, you do unsync'd for that.

Me(whm) and a tank basically just carried the party to the clear in Titan EX. There was only 2 dps not knocked off and we were on final rock phase, failed so we stacked center and cure 3'd to victory.
Sure they helped dps the goals when they were still alive(if they weren't stacking them) but they weren't carrying their own weight.
It's the opposite. A majority of everyone who queues for extremes are doing that because they don't know any better that's why extremes in DF are worse than extremes in PF.

This right here.. im not saying you in general but.. when it comes to mentors in EX fights.. that entire group is there bu choice except the 1 or very rarely 2 mentors who got it from the roulette.. so as you say that entire group is there by choice and the mentors who leave or say do it in PF are the ones spoiling it for the group that patiently waited in queue for this Ex trial

The fact you have a problem with mentors telling people to use the superior option available to complete content regardless of whether they stay or not really shows where you stand in this discussion.
You intentionally misinterpreting what was said so it could favor your stance on the issue is honestly funny.
If you refuse to acknowledge your contrarians at least stop commenting on the topic. It's honestly surprising just how many intellectually dishonest people are here on these forums.
It's so simple to just agree to disagree but all anyone is interested in doing is typing nonsense they don't even think about before it comes out of their head.

[Baxcel]

The fact you have a problem with mentors telling people to use the superior option available to complete content regardless of whether they stay or not really shows where you stand in this discussion.
You intentionally misinterpreting what was said so it could favor your stance on the issue is honestly funny.
If you refuse to acknowledge your contrarians at least stop commenting on the topic. It's honestly surprising just how many intellectually dishonest people are here on these forums.
It's so simple to just agree to disagree but all anyone is interested in doing is typing nonsense they don't even think about before it comes out of their head.

No I don't have a problem with them saying to try PF.. I have a problem with them saying that and then leaving.. or saying that and demanding they be kicked from the instance.. or saying that an going afk to not help with the fight..

The fact that you assume my problem is them just saying use PF is the issue.. because these issue is when people say that to spouts they typically don't stay to help them.. they typically don't join that PF they just told them to make.. they typically just re-queue into Mentor roulette for a guildheist or a dungeon for their easy clear..

There have been 0 dishonestly from my posts because all my comments speak from experiences from myself and others who have talked to me about the mentors they have met..

So no ill continue to comment on topics like this because it is something I'm passionate about.. because I actually want people to use the time they have to help these spouts or even normal players who are using DF for these trials.. they set their time to wait in the queue.. mentors who find themselves in those fights should of held the time for a 60-90min instance... they should think do I have the patience or time for an EX fight before they clicked join on Mentor Roulette.. if the answer is/was no.. they shouldn't have joined the queue

[Nethereal]

No I don't have a problem with them saying to try PF.. I have a problem with me saying that and then leaving.. or saying that and demanding they be kicked from the instance.. or saying that an going afk to not help with the fight..

The fact that you assume my problem is them just saying use PF is the issue.. because these issue is when people say that to spouts they typically don't stay to help them.. they typically don't join that PF they just told them to make.. they typically just re-queue into Mentor roulette for a guildheist or a dungeon for their easy clear..

There have been 0 dishonestly from my posts because all my comments speak from experiences from myself and others who have talked to me about the mentors they have met..

So no ill continue to comment on topics like this because it is something I'm passionate about.. because I actually want people to use the time they have to help these spouts or even normal players who are using DF for these trials.. they set their time to wait in the queue.. mentors who find themselves in those fights should of held the time for a 60-90min instance... they should think do I have the patience or time for an EX fight before they clicked join on Mentor Roulette.. if the answer is/was no.. they shouldn't have joined the queue

I didn't assume anything.

If you don't have a problem with them just saying it then properly articulate yourself in your initial posts and it will save us both a lot of time.