Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

[SturmChurro]

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It's simple really, if a mentor is unwilling to potentially have to assist players in extreme content, they can just not queue for the mentor roulette. If they are so interested in helping other players, they can manually select duties, or do the other roulettes in the duty finder. As the Astrope is supposedly meaningless, no mentor should care that they cannot work towards it specifically. At least they are there helping players!

[Eien713]

It's simple really, if a mentor is unwilling to potentially have to assist players in extreme content, they can just not queue for the mentor roulette. If they are so interested in helping other players, they can manually select duties, or do the other roulettes in the duty finder. As the Astrope is supposedly meaningless, no mentor should care that they cannot work towards it specifically. At least they are there helping players!

Again, define "helping."

[SturmChurro]

Again, define "helping."

Providing gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players, being an exemplar for player etiquette.

[Eien713]

Providing gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players, being an exemplar for player etiquette.

And why is this only limited to ex trials? Mentors can do this all the time in any other instance and even in the open world.

[SturmChurro]

And why is this only limited to ex trials? Mentors can do this all the time in any other instance and even in the open world.

When queueing for 'Duty Roulette: Mentor' mentor status is automatically turned on, it's kind of expected for a player to mentor in it. I also stated, that a mentor can 'mentor' outside of this specific roulette. If a "mentor" doesn't want to potentially have to 'mentor' extremes they don't have to queue for it, simple as that.

[Eien713]

When queueing for 'Duty Roulette: Mentor' mentor status is automatically turned on, it's kind of expected for a player to mentor in it. I also stated, that a mentor can 'mentor' outside of this specific roulette. If a "mentor" doesn't want to potentially have to 'mentor' extremes they don't have to queue for it, simple as that.

Lemme tell you a little story. Yesterday, I joined a PF of people wanting to clear Garuda Ex. We eventually got a party with everyone agreeing to do the trial synced. Since we were all mentally prepared to do this and the newbies had done their homework, it was way easier to get the clear by explaining a few things here and there. Since we did great with Garuda (cleared it on first pull), we decided to do Titan next. A few hiccups here and there but we managed to clear. Ifrit was next and it was a bit more challenging than the other two. But with a few explanations here and there, some strategizing, and a bit of practice, we managed to clear. Those 3 fights were so fun to do. We were all doing our best and working together with no one slacking off or expecting a carry. Granted, I went as a healer to be able to save the runs as much as possible since I'm very familiar with those fights, but everyone else also did great.

Bottom line, Ex trials are better done with a group that's not forced to do them but rather chose to.

Mentoring in Ex fights doesn't mean to do all the work. I remember a discussion you were part of in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. It was about tanks who don't even have the reflex to turn on their tank stance (even when aggro is clearly all over the place). This is the average experience in Mentor Roulette when it comes to Ex fights. People expect the fights to be a faceroll. You can't possibly tell me it's a mentor's job to put up with this. Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.

Mentor Roulette without containg EXtrials is basically all previously existing roulettes stacked under a trenchcoat and serves no purpose other than to basically be Duty Roulette: All previous Roulettes. EX trials literally set it apart from the other roulettes.

Calling EX trials the rotten fruit in a batch sounds like you are feeling entitled to getting easy duties all the time rather than putting up with it, but that's technically none of my business, so you do you.

[RyuDragnier]

Mentoring in Ex fights doesn't mean to do all the work. I remember a discussion you were part of in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. It was about tanks who don't even have the reflex to turn on their tank stance (even when aggro is clearly all over the place). This is the average experience in Mentor Roulette when it comes to Ex fights. People expect the fights to be a faceroll. You can't possibly tell me it's a mentor's job to put up with this. Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.

I have yet to see somebody do all the work in the EX fights you get from Mentor roulette. Simply because, and you forget, you are sync'd down and the fights have enrages, it is not possible for a single sync'd person to carry an EX run. Every run I get into everybody is trying to pull their own weight, because nobody queues up in DF for an EX expecting to get carried, you do unsync'd for that.

[Baxcel]

Bottom line, Ex trials are better done with a group that's not forced to do them but rather chose to.

This right here.. im not saying you in general but.. when it comes to mentors in EX fights.. that entire group is there bu choice except the 1 or very rarely 2 mentors who got it from the roulette.. so as you say that entire group is there by choice and the mentors who leave or say do it in PF are the ones spoiling it for the group that patiently waited in queue for this Ex trial