Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

[ZedxKayn]

Yes, waiting for hours, since no old player wants to do that old content for free.
And you also could say it otherwise.

There is enough roulette content that you can do that grants you bonus stuff for selfish purposes.

If you as a mentor complain about "mentoring" than you maybe also better should question yourself if you have the unselfish mental spirit that a true mentor should have.
Mentoring isnt there for granting you selfish bonus stuff in the shortest/most efficient time as possible.

Thats not what mentoring is about. Its about the unselfish support of other new players in any regards.
Its not about efficiency and its not about time. Like in an NGO.


If you dont feel it - mentoring is maybe not for you. ("Party finder exists" tells me you probably don't)

Telling sprouts to use PF and/or find a community catered to their needs is mentoring. That's how harder or unpopular content is done in NA and EU.
Mentors are here to help and teach how they see fit, not bend over backwards to carry the chainpulling GLD or the curebot who never opens the chat in Ramuh EX.

[Tonkra]

Telling sprouts to use PF and/or find a community catered to their needs is mentoring. That's how harder or unpopular content is done in NA and EU.
Mentors are here to help and teach how they see fit, not bend over backwards to carry the chainpulling GLD or the curebot who never opens the chat in Ramuh EX.

with that argumentation we could get rid of Mentor roulette all-over.
"There is duty finder you know".

Maybe thats the best decision then.

Since seemingly so called "mentors" want to get some selfish bonus out of it - the most easy and efficient way.

[ZedxKayn]

with that argumentation we could get rid of Mentor roulette all-over.
"There is duty finder you know".

Maybe thats the best decision then.

Since seemingly so called "mentors" want to get some selfish bonus out of it - the most easy and efficient way.

I mean why not, mentor roulette is just to fill queues, not actually mentor.

There is nothing selfish about wanting to be rewarded for time spent completing a duty that gives no real progression aside that, especially if it's such a pittance.

[Baxcel]

I mean why not, mentor roulette is just to fill queues, not actually mentor.

There is nothing selfish about wanting to be rewarded for time spent completing a duty that gives no real progression aside that, especially if it's such a pittance.

If your only in it for the reward or the gratification that you did something you probably shouldn't be a mentor and probably shouldn't be in mentor roulette..

If you can't lose an hour of your time or can't actually teach someone mechincs then you shouldn't mentor..

Once you cry to the new player about doing thr fight in PF are you going to join that player's synced EX fight on PF? Probably not because your just there for a reward.. so no.. your not a mentor your just there for the crown and the mount..

[Nethereal]

If your only in it for the reward or the gratification that you did something you probably shouldn't be a mentor and probably shouldn't be in mentor roulette..

If you can't lose an hour of your time or can't actually teach someone mechincs then you shouldn't mentor..

Once you cry to the new player about doing thr fight in PF are you going to join that player's synced EX fight on PF? Probably not because your just there for a reward.. so no.. your not a mentor your just there for the crown and the mount..

Except we're not teaching them mechanics.
We're trying to go against the conditioning they've received from day 1 since starting the game that it doesn't matter what they do as long as they're pressing buttons while at the same time trying to get them to do mechanics.
This is what we're dealing with: If not worse

With that said Is there really such a need for such vitriol against mentors? Are you even a mentor? Some people just aren't ready for extreme and it has nothing to do with mentors.
I joined a 40 minutes in progress Leviathan EX just yesterday and we ran out the clock.
Not even 20% echo can help those people.
Sure you can clear most of them save Ramuh, The Great Hunt Ex(sometimes), and Sephirot but why are people so upset that some people just A. Aren't worth helping, B. Don't want help, or C. Aren't ready for the help being offered?

These people have never been challenged at all leading up the time they put themselves into the queue, they have next to no raid awareness, and don't even understand how to dps an add that appears infront of them unless specifically told and reminded to do so. If left to their own devices they would hit Ifrit while he was invincible until they wiped multiple times.

You can't help people who don't want to be helped, it goes both ways.

[Baxcel]

Except we're not teaching them mechanics.
We're trying to go against the conditioning they've received from day 1 since starting the game that it doesn't matter what they do as long as they're pressing buttons while at the same time trying to get them to do mechanics.
This is what we're dealing with: If not worse

With that said Is there really such a need for such vitriol against mentors? Are you even a mentor? Some people just aren't ready for extreme and it has nothing to do with mentors.
I joined a 40 minutes in progress Leviathan EX just yesterday and we ran out the clock.
Not even 20% echo can help those people.
Sure you can clear most of them save Ramuh, The Great Hunt Ex(sometimes), and Sephirot but why are people so upset that some people just A. Aren't worth helping, B. Don't want help, or C. Aren't ready for the help being offered?

These people have never been challenged at all leading up the time they put themselves into the queue, they have next to no raid awareness, and don't even understand how to dps an add that appears infront of them unless specifically told and reminded to do so. If left to their own devices they would hit Ifrit while he was invincible until they wiped multiple times.

You can't help people who don't want to be helped, it goes both ways.

Going ignore the clip as it's been discussed to death already and is not indictictive of actual spouts.. but people who make drama to get views..

Yes there is a need to call out bad mentors.. if your only there for the mount and the burger King crown then your not ment to be a mentor.. if you don't have the time to teach the players to fail an instance then you shouldn't be a mentor.. mentor are people too.. they can fail an fight but the very least they should do is stay and try to clear with the people who queued for the duty..

You obviously didn't read the entire thread I have combat mentored but currently don't have the comends..

Also see my above comment about how a mentor leaving a duty is actually hurting the 6-7 other players who chose to be there.. because 99% of the time you only get 1 or 2 mentors to help fill the fight

[Nethereal]

Going ignore the clip as it's been discussed to death already and is not indictictive of actual spouts.. but people who make drama to get views..

Yes there is a need to call out bad mentors.. if your only there for the mount and the burger King crown then your not ment to be a mentor.. if you don't have the time to teach the players to fail an instance then you shouldn't be a mentor.. mentor are people too.. they can fail an fight but the very least they should do is stay and try to clear with the people who queued for the duty..

You obviously didn't read the entire thread I have combat mentored but currently don't have the comends..

Also see my above comment about how a mentor leaving a duty is actually hurting the 6-7 other players who chose to be there.. because 99% of the time you only get 1 or 2 mentors to help fill the fight

The clip is indicative of how inexperienced players simply have no awareness outside of their hotbar which is relevant to all discussion in relation to teaching people in this game.
How are people supposed to teach anyone anything when you can't even see what's in front of you?

Where did I say mentors leaving was a good thing? Where did I say you shouldn't call out bad mentors?
I just said there's no need to blanketly shame mentors who tell people to use PF. Mentors who tell people to use PF aren't bad mentors.
Mentors should stay for as long as realistically possible, at their own discretion. If they choose to leave their punishment is leaver's queue and it ends there.
If you think that punishment is too light then that's something to talk about on its own.

On the topic of who is deserving of mentor it would be right to bring up mentor is optional content as are all extremes.
If you are either unwilling or unable to communicate with your party with anything other than emotes then you should not be in any content above normal, especially when you're new.

Learning is a two way street and if you're unwilling to even meet us half way then don't be surprised when people leave.
This isn't school, we're not being paid to teach you, we're being compensated for completing the run and if you're unwilling to learn then we're not being compensated at all and if I'm not being compensated why should I teach someone who doesn't want to learn?
They can learn to fail on their own time, my being there won't change anything.
More often than not sprouts willing to learn will leave on their own accord from the soul crushing embarrassment of dying to every single mechanic back to back. It's the chainpullers that stay.

[Vahlnir]

Telling sprouts to use PF and/or find a community catered to their needs is mentoring. That's how harder or unpopular content is done in NA and EU.
Mentors are here to help and teach how they see fit, not bend over backwards to carry the chainpulling GLD or the curebot who never opens the chat in Ramuh EX.

Considering that the PF is indeed used to recruit for Extremes the most at least on the NA side of things (no idea what it's like elsewhere)...yeah, it is wonderful advice. Whatever the conditions (synced, unsynced, min item level, etc) the groups will usually fill if one is patient enough. Some things will be slower to fill than others, but it beats wasting their time and the time of 7 other people by trying to queue for these things. In the time it takes to queue up, given the wait time could be at LEAST an hour...they could have partially or completely filled their PF group and have been inside learning already.

[Baxcel]

Considering that the PF is indeed used to recruit for Extremes the most at least on the NA side of things (no idea what it's like elsewhere)...yeah, it is wonderful advice. Whatever the conditions (synced, unsynced, min item level, etc) the groups will usually fill if one is patient enough. Some things will be slower to fill than others, but it beats wasting their time and the time of 7 other people by trying to queue for these things. In the time it takes to queue up, given the wait time could be at LEAST an hour...they could have partially or completely filled their PF group and have been inside learning already.

I typically tend to agree with most posts you have on here but have to disagree this time..

Generally when a queue pops for a synced EX from Duty finder it's a majority of the time 6-7 players who have queued for it directly with 1-2 mentors being tossed into thr fight from mentor roulette.. so it would actually be the mentor wasting the time of the other players who waited in queue for the fight to start by leaving, telling them to do PF..

Also why should those players leave an instance that they just got into with who knows how long they already sat in queue for.. only to be told to leave the fight and wait for a PF that most likely won't actually fill up.. idk about your server but on mine anything that's not a unsycned mount farm or a ShB ex fight never get players to join..

An FC member of mine as example sat for 3hrs in PF trying to do Coils of bahamut synced no one ever joined the group.. he eventually gave up since its not in any roulette..

[Vahlnir]

I typically tend to agree with most posts you have on here but have to disagree this time..

Generally when a queue pops for a synced EX from Duty finder it's a majority of the time 6-7 players who have queued for it directly with 1-2 mentors being tossed into thr fight from mentor roulette.. so it would actually be the mentor wasting the time of the other players who waited in queue for the fight to start by leaving, telling them to do PF..

Also why should those players leave an instance that they just got into with who knows how long they already sat in queue for.. only to be told to leave the fight and wait for a PF that most likely won't actually fill up.. idk about your server but on mine anything that's not a unsycned mount farm or a ShB ex fight never get players to join..

An FC member of mine as example sat for 3hrs in PF trying to do Coils of bahamut synced no one ever joined the group.. he eventually gave up since its not in any roulette..

To be fair, I never agreed with people leaving here, though I understand why people do. The advice in general is solid regardless and it doesn't need to be given by someone bowing out, but could be used for future reference. The PF is a wonderful tool. Time of day is also very important when using the PF. I find it hard to believe that your FC mate sat for so long and had no one join unless it is was during your server's off time, which is basically early morning/very late night hours. Running instances synced is all the rage lately.