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    KrissMalebranche's Avatar
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    Kriss Malebranche
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    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 90

    Easyest class to use for healer

    I have a brother who is a bit mentaly behind.
    My other brother and me downloaded the Combo addon on hos laptop and combined that with some ingame macros so he basicly has a GNB and MCH with 4 Button gameplay so he can play with us.
    Now he wants to play as our healer but i have no idea how i am going to make this work.
    I dont play healer myself and my brother just leveld his healer with the pvp roullete (switching to dps inside pvp)
    Please dont start about the macros being a loss of DPS. he only plays with us and we dont mind all of that.

    Anyone an idea what the most friendly and easy healer class is? and some macros for less buttons.
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    Marc Vigar
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    Omega
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    White Mage.

    You can spam Cure, Cure II, Medica II and clear any content below Savage.

    Throw in some Stone or Holy if there's nothing to heal and there's your 4 button rotation.

    As for macros,

    /micon "Stone"
    /merror off
    /ac "Stone" <t>
    /ac "Stone" <tt>

    And

    /micon "Aero"
    /merror off
    /ac "Aero" <t>
    /ac "Aero" <tt>

    Is all you need, this allows you to use DPS abilities as long as you're targeting an ally and said ally is targeting an enemy.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Sage Lv 90
    Low level? Scholar hands down. The fairy makes it easy mode and can cover if you're struggling a bit.

    Level 60 or higher? White Mage hands down. Thin Air + PoM is insane, and coupled with Lucid Dreaming you have zero mana issues.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Low level? Scholar hands down. The fairy makes it easy mode and can cover if you're struggling a bit.

    Level 60 or higher? White Mage hands down. Thin Air + PoM is insane, and coupled with Lucid Dreaming you have zero mana issues.
    He's asking for a healer for his "mentally behind" brother, why are you recommending him the healer with the most buttons and the most difficult playstyle?

    The fairy won't keep the party alive by herself, SCH has a shitton of buttons, a lot interactions between abilities that you have to understand very well, a more complex DPS rotation compared to other healers, and requires you to play proactively rather than reactively.

    Please don't listen to this guy.
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar View Post
    Please don't listen to this guy.
    No, they've got a point.
    For low level stuff SCH is def the easiest if only because the fairy's auto heals do so much. In ARR dungeons it's pretty common for me to only throw out a heal or two during the entire dungeon because of the fairy.

    In higher level content the potency of it's heals falls away as the rest of your kit gets fleshed out, but man it's passive contributions should not be underestimated for early content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    No, they've got a point.
    For low level stuff SCH is def the easiest if only because the fairy's auto heals do so much. In ARR dungeons it's pretty common for me to only throw out a heal or two during the entire dungeon because of the fairy.

    In higher level content the potency of it's heals falls away as the rest of your kit gets fleshed out, but man it's passive contributions should not be underestimated for early content.
    I know the fairy helps at very low levels but what's the point of that? He will eventually level up and realize that the job is too complex, his hotbar is gonna explode with so many buttons and he will have to start leveling WHM anyways.

    So why not start with WHM directly instead of wasting time.
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    C'erise Vanesse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar View Post
    I know the fairy helps at very low levels but what's the point of that? He will eventually level up and realize that the job is too complex, his hotbar is gonna explode with so many buttons and he will have to start leveling WHM anyways.

    So why not start with WHM directly instead of wasting time.
    WHM in lower level content is very punishing. You HAVE to pay attention because it’s like the least fleshed out healer at those lower levels.

    They have a point - and I’m pretty sure OP is willing to help level as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar View Post
    I know the fairy helps at very low levels but what's the point of that? He will eventually level up and realize that the job is too complex, his hotbar is gonna explode with so many buttons and he will have to start leveling WHM anyways.

    So why not start with WHM directly instead of wasting time.
    Stop exagerrating will you ?
    Not only Deceptus' right, but SCH has become more accessible now.
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    White Mage is going to be it i think. i can do a macro like /ac "cure" <1> to 4 with the 1-4 Icons if he has problems selecting his target (playing with controller) and do the macros Marc-Vigar said. we can do without him DPSing but maybe getting him to pull it off would be fun for him.
    Invited him to play this game so we can stimulate his brain a bit. but got scared we would over do it with healing.
    But thanks everyone! will try this out and see if he likes it !
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    Erakir Pompop
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    White Mage Lv 100
    WHM is a cruddy healer early on, it's true - but going single pull to single pull it's gonna be fine and bots have long gotten through parties with medica spam. It's only compared to others that WHM comes up obviously short pre-50, but I think medica/medica2 spam alone will make it very functional for this situation. It's powerful for someone to have a multi-purpose healing option that doesn't require targeting in this case and will function well all through 80. While fairy does a lot without anything at all, I think M2 will ultimately carry further mostly due to succor's functionality, and being able to put a regen macro in place would do a ton for tank healing too. Both jobs would likely be fine though.

    I'd like to add a suggestion for this more unique circumstance:

    For whichever job is selected, consider adding Lucid Dreaming to a DoT macro. Or a regen macro if you go with WHM. For instance if using the aero macro posted earlier-

    /micon "Aero"
    /merror off
    /ac "Aero" <t>
    /ac "Aero" <tt>
    /wait 1
    /ac "Lucid Dreaming"

    It's one less thing he'll have to keep track of that healers do need to press semi-frequently. Could do the same with things like aetherflow or thin air if he's having difficulty with them.
    Sure, it's not ideal to be pressing it like that at all, but if we're trying to eliminate button presses I think it could help. It's a CD he won't need to pay attention to.

    You may want to consider doing this with other abilities too, such as assize or divine benison. With a /wait of 2 they should be able to activate after a Cure and possibly Cure 2.
    For benison in particular, I'd suggest
    /ac "Divine Benison" <2> so it's always going on the tank (if default party sorting)

    None of these outside of lucid will really be needed for what you're describing, but there won't be any real harm throwing them in the macros and it'll only make him stronger than not pressing them at all, all without needing any extra attention from him.

    I think you could get by with a 5ish button healer this way via cure/cure2/medica (replace with m2 later)/stone macro/DoT macro.

    Could even combine DoT/Regen into one macro if you feel like it and are going WHM:
    /micon "Regen"
    /merror off
    /ac "Regen" <2>
    /wait 1
    /ac "Lucid Dreaming"
    /wait 2
    /ac "Aero" <t>
    /ac "Aero" <tt>
    /wait 1
    /ac "Some other oGCD" <2>

    That should be a 3s wait so both GCDs should activate - Regen on the tank then Aero on his target or target's target. Tell him to press it now and then (every 30s) and it might work well for him?

    Another I'd consider putting off to the side: A swiftcast/wait/raise macro:
    /micon "Swiftcast"
    /merror off
    /ac "Swiftcast"
    /wait 1
    /ac "Raise" <2>
    /ac "Raise" <3>
    /ac "Raise" <4>
    (Through 8 if needed for 8m content)
    (Also replace Raise with whichever resurrection spell is used)
    It's been awhile since I've dealt with macro nuances but I think that one should raise the first dead person in the party list without timing/error issues. Make it big, make it obvious, let him know if he ever sees someone dead, press that one.

    Depending on how he plays, it could be worth separating hotbars so one is for healing and one is for any damage macros. If he clicks, having a clear visual separation could help? Depends on how he goes about things, and you'll know far more than any of us there.
    Edit: Oh, just saw you say he plays with controller, my bad

    Edit: I also suggest one of you may want to play bard alongside. Warden's Paean can be used to cover some of the harsher debuffs if Esuna ends up difficult for him, particularly if he finds himself silenced or 30s paralyzed. Or you can echo drops/spine drops him - it's just Warden's is ranged, potions aren't.
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    Last edited by Erakir; 08-02-2021 at 12:21 PM.

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