The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[wereotter]

Well they specifically said it was due to the phobia that they changed it. So if thats untrue they basically just lied to their entire playerbase and used a phobia as a scapegoat.

I'm aware what the announcement said, but do you think they would come out and say "we're changing this because we were about to get sued" or do you think they'd spin it and say "actually this new design is better for you because phobia"

They're under no obligation to inform us if legal action was pending if it even was.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm aware what the announcement said, but do you think they would come out and say "we're changing this because we were about to get sued" or do you think they'd spin it and say "actually this new design is better for you because phobia"

They're under no obligation to inform us if legal action was pending if it even was.

They could’ve just….not said anything. That’s the problem. If it was a legal case or whatever, they could’ve just not said anything. The fact they went about it to just try and gain pr is what’s scummy to me. There wasn’t anyone with the actual phobia complaining, so if the phobia was the problem they went about it the wrong way. If it was any other thing that caused them to change it, then they lied in their announcement. This all could’ve been avoided by just…not saying anything lmao.

[Bright-Flower]

The phobia is such a weirdly specific thing that I'm inclined to take them at their word on it. They didn't need to even provide an explanation at all. They could have just been like 'hey we decided to redesign the icon here's the new one' without having to get into it at all. EW is still in development afterall.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The phobia is such a weirdly specific thing that I'm inclined to take them at their word on it. They didn't need to even provide an explanation at all. They could have just been like 'hey we decided to redesign the icon here's the new one' without having to get into it at all. EW is still in development afterall.

The thing that’s interesting to me is, they claim that it was affecting players globally. Yet, the only post i’ve been able to find even talking about it is the jp forum one, again, about someone who didn’t even have the phobia and was filled with people who actually had it saying it wasn’t a big deal. So, there’s a lot of weird things going on with the whole address letter.

[Fawkes]

about someone who didn’t even have the phobia and was filled with people who actually had it saying it wasn’t a big deal.

This is false.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This is false.

Then by all means please show me some translations. The original poster themselves stated they don’t have the phobia so i’m curious why you think it’s false.

[Krotoan]

Yes.. the dev team that literally was willing to make their entire server upgrade plans and failings public knowledge as well as apologizing for things that were impossible to control..

Had to lie about changing an icon.

So while we may have OTHER icons (on entirely optional jobs that are not MSQ-linked content BTW) that could be a problem.. what reason would they have to lie about changing it? Extremely minor PR? Yup.. they totally need that right now. Yup. Most played MMORPG in the world needs PR while their competition is literally doing their best not to get cancelled.



We really can turn the most mundane things into absolute madness here.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yes.. the dev team that literally was willing to make their entire server upgrade plans and failings public knowledge as well as apologizing for things that were impossible to control..

Had to lie about changing an icon.

So while we may have OTHER icons (on entirely optional jobs that are not MSQ-linked content BTW) that could be a problem.. what reason would they have to lie about changing it? Extremely minor PR? Yup.. they totally need that right now. Yup. Most played MMORPG in the world needs PR while their competition is literally doing their best not to get cancelled.



We really can turn the most mundane things into absolute madness here.

So please show me then where this global crisis was. I’m genuinely interested in seeing other posts about people with this phobia who had it towards the sage icon, and please explain why there were no comments like this about the LTW icon which has been in the game for 6-8 years. Also most played mmo in the world? That isn’t even true but…live the fantasy i guess.

[Krotoan]

So please show me then where this global crisis was.

Global crisis? Their claim was

However, we soon received feedback from players all over the world,

and their reasoning was:

there's still time to change things. Considering also the fact that job icons are prominently visible in the game, and that they also appear on merchandise, we've made the decision to redesign the sage icon.

Very plainly: Some people from all markets complained, we have noted that not only is this icon visible in game and on merchendise, we are well within timelines to do something about it.

There does not need to be a "Global Crisis" to do something to accomodate people especially when time permits.

I’m genuinely interested in seeing other posts about people with this phobia who had it towards the sage icon,

Great. Ask the developers. Feedback isn't always on forums, or twitter or even public social media. When complaining about something , especially something personal that causes an aversion, most people are pretty tentative about putting that out there as public knowledge. Did you see what someone did IN THIS THREAD? "oh lol you think lots of holes is gross?" *posts a revamped sage icon with the most holes possible*.. yeah.. that's the internet!

and please explain why there were no comments like this about the LTW icon which has been in the game for 6-8 years.

I'm not a dev so I couldn't specifically say.. but I would guess that once there were complaints about it it had been in game for too long and is side-content that doesn't need to be engaged with to play the glut of the game. Also as mentioned there's not a whole lot of "letherworker" merch. Discipline of the hand jobs aren't exactly a focus in presentation and marketing for this game. I'll eat my words when the derplander intro movie has him flash change into tailor AF and hold his shining new relic needle up.

Also most played mmo in the world? That isn’t even true but…live the fantasy i guess.

FFXIV currently has the highest ratio of account to active player count of any Top MMO in the world,
https://mmo-population.com/activity

Why even dispute that? It's been the news for like.. weeks. "WoW the king is dead, long live the king" and all that.

I'm down to amend that to "one of".. but it's not like it's even below top 3 at WORST.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Global crisis? Their claim was



and their reasoning was:

Very plainly: Some people from all markets complained, we have noted that not only is this icon visible in game and on merchendise, we are well within timelines to do something about it.

There does not need to be a "Global Crisis" to do something to accomodate people especially when time permits.



Great. Ask the developers. Feedback isn't always on forums, or twitter or even public social media. When complaining about something , especially something personal that causes an aversion, most people are pretty tentative about putting that out there as public knowledge. Did you see what someone did IN THIS THREAD? "oh lol you think lots of holes is gross?" *posts a revamped sage icon with the most holes possible*.. yeah.. that's the internet!



I'm not a dev so I couldn't specifically say.. but I would guess that once there were complaints about it it had been in game for too long and is side-content that doesn't need to be engaged with to play the glut of the game. Also as mentioned there's not a whole lot of "letherworker" merch. Discipline of the hand jobs aren't exactly a focus in presentation and marketing for this game. I'll eat my words when the derplander intro movie has him flash change into tailor AF and hold his shining new relic needle up.



FFXIV currently has the highest ratio of account to active player count of any MMO in the world,
https://mmo-population.com/activity

Why even dispute that? It's been the news for like.. weeks. "WoW the king is dead, long live the king" and all that.

I'm down to amend that to "one of".. but it's not like it's even below top 3 at WORST.

Right people from all markets yet the only actual piece of info we have is from the jp forums. Considering how much people plaster themselves all over social media, i guarantee if people had an actual issue with it we’d be seeing it everywhere. The fact that the only social media related thing is a post from someone who doesn’t even have the phobia is very telling. Fact of the matter is it really is strange how there’s numerous things in game that are trypophobia triggers, yet people haven’t complained about it until now. When 14 is at its peak and sage is the new shiny thing that has everyone’s attention. There are just too many things that don’t add up. along with the random PR move.