Can we take action against Bard Macro Player yet?

[Wolfsbane706]

I don't really like the performance system, honestly. Just not a fan of the impromptu "concerts" that pop up. However, this idea:

We should just have in game tools to put songs together like Mario Paint.
PS4 users could then get in on the fun too.

I can get behind this. Speaking as a PS4 user. Functionally, PS4 users aren't limited in using the performance system but when it comes to entertaining and stuff, PS4 users are absolutely locked out because they don't have access to the same stuff PC players do.

[LianaThorne]

It doesn't matter who plays it, but it should matter as if you are actually playing it. Mainly for my main complaint "PRETENDING you are playing it, but aren't". There are people who like to gloat and pretend they are this wild performer, but are letting illegal tools play the song for them. Like the music or not, that IS an unfair advantage for people who don't.

And again, I get it, some might not be musically talented, and if you just want to play songs for yourself/friends, then whatever fine, but I draw the line going into public spaces and pretending you are so great, and even possibly receiving tips for letting software play a song for you. At that point, you are not the performer, but a MP3 player at that point. Would you go to a concert in real life and be okay with a singer not really singing a song? Or if an orchestra wasn't really playing their instruments but letting some software play it for them while pretending they are? Probably not. I know it's a bit different via FFXIV, but that, for me, means a lot.

You cannot possibly get better at learning to play music, if you do not even attempt to try to learn any bit of it. There is much more pride and feeling if a person has worked very hard for their goals and to bring that musical joy to others, than to just sit there and press play and walk away.


I would say that is way more important, and the difference between a performer, and a mp3 player.



That's what I mean by overshadowing. Imagine spending hours upon hours everyday trying to learn a song, just for someone to walk up to you, and have software do it for them, bow in front of everyone, making you feel underappreciated and worthless compared to them all because they have a midi that can do it all, while you are stumbling each step of the way to try to get it down right.

I'm not finished yet either now that I've seen this post. You are valid that people who are using BMP shouldn't be taking credit as if they're playing the music themselves manually, but the rest of everything you're saying is dripping with envy and jealousy and therefore makes your point of making this post kind of irrelevant. You had a good point but executed it poorly.

1. "And again, I get it, some might not be musically talented, and if you just want to play songs for yourself/friends, then whatever fine, but I draw the line going into public spaces and pretending you are so great, and even possibly receiving tips for letting software play a song for you." - Who died and made you King/Queen of the Bards? So what if someone wants to go out in public and play for people? How does this at all affect your life? It shouldn't. If I want to go out and play for strangers I will, the same as you can.

2. "At that point, you are not the performer, but a MP3 player at that point. Would you go to a concert in real life and be okay with a singer not really singing a song? - Way to slap every single person who DJs for a living in the face, they are just as much of a musician as you are. Also, singers lip-sync CONSTANTLY in real life and we still go to their concerts.

3. "You cannot possibly get better at learning to play music, if you do not even attempt to try to learn any bit of it. There is much more pride and feeling if a person has worked very hard for their goals and to bring that musical joy to others, than to just sit there and press play and walk away." - This is entirely your opinion which you're allowed to have. However, don't expect others to feel the same or mimic your opinion.

4. "That's what I mean by overshadowing. Imagine spending hours upon hours everyday trying to learn a song, just for someone to walk up to you, and have software do it for them, bow in front of everyone, making you feel underappreciated and worthless compared to them all because they have a midi that can do it all, while you are stumbling each step of the way to try to get it down right." - This sucks but just shows that you're barding for the wrong reasons and not for the love of music. You're putting too much into how many people give you headpats rather than just playing music for the so called love that you have for it and the pride you feel from learning.

[Omedon]

In other news: Samurai gameplay is impacted by whether or not real samurai are behind the keyboard.

I can only imagine how this conversation would go in the black mage community.

[Anhra]

Well, i do understand OP's point on his side of the argument, but the final say in this will be on Squeenix's matter. A good reference to this is Yoshi P.'s Interview about 3rd party programs being used. The moment they will ever decide to permanently ban everyone who ever used one (and i am sure that there is a Log for this kind of thing on the Player Data, but that is just a wild guess on my part), it will definitely include Bard's who use those kind of tools to perform music.

And honestly, i am excited about this day to come, it will be a butthurt of tremendous impact when dozens of Players get banned suddenly because of that and the Forums will be literally on fire.

[LianaThorne]

Well, i do understand OP's point on his side of the argument, but the final say in this will be on Squeenix's matter. A good reference to this is Yoshi P.'s Interview about 3rd party programs being used. The moment they will ever decide to permanently ban everyone who ever used one (and i am sure that there is a Log for this kind of thing on the Player Data, but that is just a wild guess on my part), it will definitely include Bard's who use those kind of tools to perform music.

And honestly, i am excited about this day to come, it will be a butthurt of tremendous impact when dozens of Players get banned suddenly because of that and the Forums will be literally on fire.

They won't do that. I know plenty of people that would quit the game entirely if they added in a legit anticheat and can't use cosmetic mods due to the insane lack of individuality the game offers with character creation. Square would be shooting themselves in the foot at this point to ban those using mods, BMP, ACT, etc. because it's a much larger group of people than you think.

Their stance on mods/3rd party is: "Keep it to yourself and don't bully anyone with them and you're fine."

[Ranaku]

Well, i do understand OP's point on his side of the argument, but the final say in this will be on Squeenix's matter. A good reference to this is Yoshi P.'s Interview about 3rd party programs being used. The moment they will ever decide to permanently ban everyone who ever used one (and i am sure that there is a Log for this kind of thing on the Player Data, but that is just a wild guess on my part), it will definitely include Bard's who use those kind of tools to perform music.

And honestly, i am excited about this day to come, it will be a butthurt of tremendous impact when dozens of Players get banned suddenly because of that and the Forums will be literally on fire.

A log? xD For all the data? Holy shoot you are killing me. Do you even know how this stuff works? What client side applications/addons/mods are? Obviously not. If they don't decide to implement anti cheat spy software on your pc which they don't cause legal reasons...they can never really find out if one uses mods or act or any of that since it doesn't really interact with any data that gets send back to the server.

Not here to justify any of these mods/addons but heck you can wait for all eternity for this reckoning, it will never come.

[Vidu]

Well, i do understand OP's point on his side of the argument, but the final say in this will be on Squeenix's matter. A good reference to this is Yoshi P.'s Interview about 3rd party programs being used. The moment they will ever decide to permanently ban everyone who ever used one (and i am sure that there is a Log for this kind of thing on the Player Data, but that is just a wild guess on my part), it will definitely include Bard's who use those kind of tools to perform music.

And honestly, i am excited about this day to come, it will be a butthurt of tremendous impact when dozens of Players get banned suddenly because of that and the Forums will be literally on fire.

Its funny that you bring up the (or rather "an") interview with Yoshida on that matter of use of third party programs, because I recently saw one (I think the most recent one) and my most important take away from said interview was that he really wishes for everyone to just enjoy the game, instead of going on a hunt or being excited about people getting banned over things like using ACT to see your own numbers.

...the same would probably apply to the use of third party tools for bards - no one is hurting anyone by not playing those songs themself.

From my impression Yoshida would be annoyed by people being petty like this than by people using something to get more enjoyment out of the game.

[Infindox]

People know if you are using the program or not. It's easy to tell usually, and the database of songs is right there for you to check. I really don't care who is using one or not though, so long as I'm enjoying listening to the performance. Let people enjoy being able to play music (like VelKallor put it).

And honestly, i am excited about this day to come, it will be a butthurt of tremendous impact when dozens of Players get banned suddenly because of that and the Forums will be literally on fire.

...You do know if they do that the game would just die, right? Too many people use something, just look at streamers using ACT. Too many to mention use mods for glamour purposes, and of course this thread with the bard program.

[Torlala]

How do we know you’re not a macro player yourself op?

[LianaThorne]

How do we know you’re not a macro player yourself op?

They have more respect for themselves than this lmao.
They just play music and shut up about it. xD

*Sidenote*
No idea where this "Bard Macro Player" came from but that's not even what it's called lmao.