Can we take action against Bard Macro Player yet?

[Joint]

There are people, such as myself, who actually practice playing these songs, and we get immediately overshadowed by people who just press play on a program. There is no competition, we lose because it's impossible for us to play songs at a normal place without either conforming to third party software ourselves, or hooking up an actual midi keyboard (which I would be more okay with!).

I think the bard macro playing has gotten way out of hand. It's really annoying


but getting immediately decimated by someone who can press play, make a sandwich and come back without putting any effort into learning any song what so ever.

I think your problem is you think that there is some competition, there is nothing to gain from it other than what you make of it.

I guess I don't see why its all of a sudden "not fun" to you because of these player people. You seem like your mad because you cant strut your musical talent.

[Awha]

I think your problem is you think that there is some competition, there is nothing to gain from it other than what you make of it.

I guess I don't see why its all of a sudden "not fun" to you because of these player people. You seem like your mad because you cant strut your musical talent.

They are aiming to be the very best! Blasted team rocket cheaters make that harder.

[Vahlnir]

They are aiming to be the very best! Blasted team rocket cheaters make that harder.

If they learned how to play the pokemon theme song from back in the 90s with the guitar flawlessly without a third party program I couldn't help but respect them.

[Adamantini]

[Theodric]

I dislike mods and third party addons for various reasons. Mostly because there's a significant portion of people in the FFXIV community who actively use them based on the screenshots I've seen outside of the game itself - especially on Twitter.

Ordinarily I'd embrace a 'live and let live' policy, yet many of the same people then act as if the game doesn't need further customisation or quality of life improvements because they believe that everybody should just make use of the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy as well.

That is something that I would like the development team to comment on. Furthermore, I would very much prefer mods to be allowed explicitly - at least some of them. It's not like there's a serious crackdown going on even with how brazen people are on Twitter regarding their use in a way that easily ties back to their character in-game.

[Olivia0x25]

I think your problem is you think that there is some competition, there is nothing to gain from it other than what you make of it.

I guess I don't see why its all of a sudden "not fun" to you because of these player people. You seem like your mad because you cant strut your musical talent.

To be honest, performance is my content. I've stopped raiding, I've stopped trying to gear up and play alts, I don't care to explore or anything, I'm very very much invested into performance. I basically login to ffxiv, to play with the performance system. That is 90% of what I spend my time doing in-game. Probably even at unhealthy amounts for how much time I do dedicate to learning new songs. I even have friends that have stopped asking me to do roulettes, level up characters, raid, and such because I was too busy learning to play with the performance system.

I do strive to keep improving because it is important to me. It's what makes me happy at the end of the day. It's not so much as if I'm mad that third party users "exist" when it comes to performance. I get mad when someone out of random walks up to me while I perform, and they want to join in and is basically:


>Presses the play button
"You hear that? Yeah I did that mate, I'm so good!"


That is what drives me mental.


I know a lot of people in this thread is like "You can't prove they are using macros unless...", Come on... Let's be real, it's PAINFULLY obvious. And when I do mention something, I do not accuse them of using macros, even though I know they are. I just simply state "I don't use macros". and 99% of the time it's the same response of them admitting that they are using macros, and there was this 1% where someone told me they don't either, but hooked up a midi keyboard (piano), instead, which like I said, I would be more okay with.


To some, your "content" or "progression", is raiding, or getting your crafters on, and etc.


To me it's performance. I'm very much invested in it. That's my drive to play the game, so yes, It does kill my fun when someone can "cheat" to do it better.

[Izar_Chillen]

To be honest, performance is my content. I've stopped raiding, I've stopped trying to gear up and play alts, I don't care to explore or anything, I'm very very much invested into performance. I basically login to ffxiv, to play with the performance system. That is 90% of what I spend my time doing in-game. Probably even at unhealthy amounts for how much time I do dedicate to learning new songs. I even have friends that have stopped asking me to do roulettes, level up characters, raid, and such because I was too busy learning to play with the performance system.

I do strive to keep improving because it is important to me. It's what makes me happy at the end of the day. It's not so much as if I'm mad that third party users "exist" when it comes to performance. I get mad when someone out of random walks up to me while I perform, and they want to join in and is basically:


>Presses the play button
"You hear that? Yeah I did that mate, I'm so good!"


That is what drives me mental.


I know a lot of people in this thread is like "You can't prove they are using macros unless...", Come on... Let's be real, it's PAINFULLY obvious. And when I do mention something, I do not accuse them of using macros, even though I know they are. I just simply state "I don't use macros". and 99% of the time it's the same response of them admitting that they are using macros, and there was this 1% where someone told me they don't either, but hooked up a midi keyboard (piano), instead, which like I said, I would be more okay with.


To some, your "content" or "progression", is raiding, or getting your crafters on, and etc.


To me it's performance. I'm very much invested in it. That's my drive to play the game, so yes, It does kill my fun when someone can "cheat" to do it better.

Its great that you find purpose in performing , but I must ask.

How do you play the notes? There is only so much quality your musical skill can take you using the windows mouse/keyboard combo or usb connected joypad.

I do not know if this game allows 3rd party equipment to be plugged in, recognised , and used as an alternative such as a musical keyboard .


As much as I appreciate the efforts many performers go to playing , using the default control methods much music sounds , without sounding mean , quite awful . That isnt just because the performer is untalented, they are trying to play music with a befuddle control system compared to a real electronic KYBD/music device

3rd party software allows some to play much nicer, timed music. It allows for some mega concerts from dedicated troupes to be played too as i linked in my first post in this thread



Lets say you can use real musical equipment to play through this game . If you are truly talented musician look perhaps to streaming your performances . People would certainly appreciate it if you gain a following for doing such especially if you post your recordings here

[Olivia0x25]

Its great that you find purpose in performing , but I must ask.

How do you play the notes? There is only so much quality your musical skill can take you using the windows mouse/keyboard combo or usb connected joypad.

I do not know if this game allows 3rd party equipment to be plugged in, recognised , and used as an alternative such as a musical keyboard .


As much as I appreciate the efforts many performers go to playing , using the default control methods much music sounds , without sounding mean , quite awful . That isnt just because the performer is untalented, they are trying to play music with a befuddle control system compared to a real electronic KYBD/music device

3rd party software allows some to play much nicer, timed music. It allows for some mega concerts from dedicated troupes to be played too as i linked in my first post in this thread



Lets say you can use real musical equipment to play through this game . If you are truly talented musician look perhaps to streaming your performances . People would certainly appreciate it if you gain a following for doing such especially if you post your recordings here

I use the default keyboard setup on performance, with no hotkey bindings or anything like that. Just the basic qwertyui and numbers, 1-2 4-5-6, while using ctrl to go down an octave, and shift to go up an octave.


It's not super comfy, but it's how I learned how to use the system and just really stubborn as to wanting to switch it out any.


And trust me, I'd like to, but I know the rules are strict on songs, though I have seen the songbringer's community stream their "band" live with a bunch songs. Including some copyrighted, and some that aren't. They haven't been banned or anything, but also I'm sure they don't risk any of their actual accounts? I don't know. I wouldn't want to make a 2nd account just for performing.


Not to mention the DMCA take downs with Twitch over stupid reasons.

[Conundrum]

I get it, some people aren't musically talented enough, some just want to play songs, and I feel that is fine if you are just playing for your friends and such.

But what bothers me is when you pretend you ARE playing songs and acting as if you are so great because you let a third party tool play it for you.

It's really annoying walking into towns and just hearing it sound like people just throw midi keyboards down a flight of stairs.

There are people, such as myself, who actually practice playing these songs, and we get immediately overshadowed by people who just press play on a program. There is no competition, we lose because it's impossible for us to play songs at a normal place without either conforming to third party software ourselves, or hooking up an actual midi keyboard (which I would be more okay with!).

I think the bard macro playing has gotten way out of hand. It's really annoying and off putting.


Playing songs is one of my favorite things to do in FFXIV, I practice for hours every single day, and now I have to turn off performance completely because it just isn't fun anymore trying to play music for people, but getting immediately decimated by someone who can press play, make a sandwich and come back without putting any effort into learning any song what so ever.

NO.

Any further comments on my part would probably get me banned, use your imagination.

[Genbe197]

Just enjoy the music. Its fun and create community. I don't care if someone is actually playing.