PLD needs an oGCD damage ability for their Oath Gauge

[Abomination713]

There are plenty of times were we don't have need of Sheltron, Cover, or Intervention. During those times our Oath Gauge just sits there collecting dust. PLD really need an attack to throw out to use it up when survival is not the name of the game.

I don't care if it just increased our auto-attack damage for a period of time like the old Sword Oath use to do while also making our auto-attack "magic damage" for like 20-30 seconds, it's it's another magical aoe attack, another DoT, or another aoe DoT (like Circle of Scorn). We need something to spend the Gauge on.

Would this discourage PLD from using their defensive options for the Gauge in favor of more damage? Just put a 1-1.5 min cooldown on it.

P.S. They need to remove the heal requirement and double the range of Divine Veil. No reason why it's range is so short and the heal requirement makes no sense since most of the time I have to heal myself to get if off when I want. It's not like PLD get any benefit from using it so why put some weird gate on it?

[Wilford111]

Sheltron doesn't just increase your defense, it also blocks 15% of damage. Which means the enemy is taking 15% of the damage you're taking. No reason to not use sheltron unless there's no incoming damage.

[Abomination713]

Sheltron doesn't just increase your defense, it also blocks 15% of damage. Which means the enemy is taking 15% of the damage you're taking. No reason to not use sheltron unless there's no incoming damage.

Sheltron does not reflect damage (or increase your defense) and neither does blocking. Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Blocking just reduces incoming damage and it's not just by 15%. I block 19%. There are also many times where you are not the MT and don't need defense.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Sheltron doesn't just increase your defense, it also blocks 15% of damage. Which means the enemy is taking 15% of the damage you're taking. No reason to not use sheltron unless there's no incoming damage.

That's not how blocking works. You just mitigate 10-20% of the damage depending at what ilvl you're, blocking does not inflict damage back on the enemies.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

There are plenty of times were we don't have need of Sheltron, Cover, or Intervention. During those times our Oath Gauge just sits there collecting dust. PLD really need an attack to throw out to use it up when survival is not the name of the game.

I don't care if it just increased our auto-attack damage for a period of time like the old Sword Oath use to do while also making our auto-attack "magic damage" for like 20-30 seconds, it's it's another magical aoe attack, another DoT, or another aoe DoT (like Circle of Scorn). We need something to spend the Gauge on.

Would this discourage PLD from using their defensive options for the Gauge in favor of more damage? Just put a 1-1.5 min cooldown on it.

P.S. They need to remove the heal requirement and double the range of Divine Veil. No reason why it's range is so short and the heal requirement makes no sense since most of the time I have to heal myself to get if off when I want. It's not like PLD get any benefit from using it so why put some weird gate on it?

Paladin doesn't need an offensive option for it's gauge, it works fine as is. Just because you put a 60-90 second cooldown on the skill, when time comes to use said offensive skill, you still have to choose mitigation over DPS, and you're still gonna pick DPS first. It's up to the player to make use of said gauge, and other than 24 mans, you should always be using Intervention or Sheltron before gauge is full.

As for Divine Veil, the range should remain at 15yalms, same as every other tank AoE mitigation. Secondly, the GCD requirement has pretty niche uses which gives it an extra layer of skill to use, i.e. making use of the 30 second window to get the most out of it, therefore allowing you to get 2 shields within a 60 second window. If anything, Veil should get an Excog effect, so after the initial 30 second window, it automatically applies to the party.

[Dzian]

The day there is a damaging skill for gauge is the time you say bye bye to most sheltron uses because it"ll become a "dps loss".

Exact reason they deliberately never added an offensive use for the guage. which is whatthey said when they first added job guages.

It's up to the player to make use of said gauge, and other than 24 mans, you should always be using Intervention or Sheltron before gauge is full..

My main beef here is that intervention is party only. should be able to target any other player in the alliance with it. namely the tank in that other party thats MT.. at least get some use out of it..

but as long as defence remains the absolute joke it is nothing else will ever matter than dps dps dps

[Sqwall]

My opinion:

Clemency needs to be changed to Oath and no longer uses MP. This prevents Clemency cheesing, as clemency is STUPID powerful under requiescat. This would allow weaving clemency OR Sheltron during burst phase. Give me a choice. If I'm full HP then I use Sheltron...If i'm low HP then I use Clemency.

Sheltron can be used on other party members. Which would render intervention useless.

Soo....

Intervention is molded into Devine Veil as a trait. Devine Veil will now reduce damage of all party members + provide a shield when the paladin receives healing so it becomes a damage mitigation cooldown + a shield.

Other nit-picks for Paladin that bother me:

Loosen up the rotation a little!
1. Add 2-3 seconds to goring blade timer. Don't get me wrong...PLD has possibly the BEST rotation in the game for design. But it's SOOOO rigid with a huge lack of deviation. You take 1-2 seconds to long in your burst you miss Confiteor, then Goring Falls off, then you drift out of Fight or Flight sync, then your whole cooldown sync disjointed. PLD has to be PERFECT in it's rotation. Reminds me of NIN. I don't want to change PLD burst rotation at all as I think it's perfect with requiescat timer + Confiteor cast, just wish I could weave Sheltron AND clemency off of oath gauge. But the way things see to be going is charges for burst. MNK, NIN, RDM....eventually MCH, WAR will to I suspect. Just add a couple seconds to Goring Blade timer for that refresh.

2. Make Sheltron cost 25 Oath OR increase the length of Sheltron. 50 Oath for 6 seconds of 10-15% block is a steep price to pay based on the amount of time to get 50 oath. Upheaval costs a measly 20 Beast Gauge and it's STUPID powerful, AND you can weave it in your burst for a DH, and it's oGCD. I have put out 30-40k crits with upheaval!

3. Paladin needs a damage Oath Spender. Being an OT Paladin is SOOOOOO boring. Intervention is ok...but if the MT doesn't need damage reduction? Well that's it.... I jus throw it on them anyway to not cap on oath...and capping on oath isn't a DPS loss...Nine times out of ten...i'm capped on oath with a competent MT.

So I propose a oath damage dump. And something I can weave in my burst when i'm OT. Much like upheaval or Flood and Edge. Something!

[AziraSyuren]

No, there shouldn't be damaging options on your oath gauge. That is the opposite of what SE should be doing.

My opinion:

Clemency needs to be changed to Oath and no longer uses MP. This prevents Clemency cheesing, as clemency is STUPID powerful under requiescat. This would allow weaving clemency OR Sheltron during burst phase. Give me a choice. If I'm full HP then I use Sheltron...If i'm low HP then I use Clemency.

This is a good idea for one of the worst possible reasons.
The duality of man.

[Launched]

No, the gauge should stay completely defensive.

[KDSilver]

The day there is a damaging skill for gauge is the time you say bye bye to most sheltron uses because it"ll become a "dps loss".