Please restrict carry runs

[kaynide]

Or they simply could say that they are against sell runs and they will ban people who advertise and buy them.

This can potentially open a big can of worms. I mean if you are strictly talking “don’t use the PF to list run selling”, I’m down for that. But if you are saying people who buy/sell runs in general… I’d be hesitant.

Like if a friend of a friend of a friend that I don’t really care about asked me to help carry him and a few friends through all of Binding Coil, I don’t know this guy… I’m not interested. If he offered like a million gil, maybe I’d be down. Not an explicit sale, just “come on man, I’ll give you 1m gil!” There was no advertisement, but I would have accepted gil for my time.

If his friend got offended that I had to be bought to spend my day on this and reported me, I could face potential ban for something I didn’t wanna do in the first place.

I’ve done similar things with treasure maps where the friend can have all the drops: I just wanted straight gil. Essentially “you can have all the drops from my 3 maps as long as I make more money than I could sell them for on MB”.

Sure, I could potentially make more getting materials, but my friend might also lose if no portals pop…he took a gamble.

Slightly straw man… but truthfully in my mind the prestige of clearing some content is just more stuff. I took a lot of time and effort to get my crafter where it is (arguably less than Heavansward era.. but still). People don’t get mad about me selling beds in the market board, or yell at them to level carpenter and do it themselves. They just pay some money and get a bed.

That’s my main point- selling a skill is fine, and should continue to be fine (mercenary work, etc).

The problem is the RMT/account sharing which (like most black market/illicit goods) is hard to track down by authorities.

Also, a GM should try to buy these runs and then ban all involved accounts. That would take him just a day of work for each DC.

Your second point, doing a sting operation, sounds awesome…but I think that unless they take it to a next level by banning IPs or credit cards or even entire banks the bad guys are just going to circumvent the system.

The best thing they can do is what they have done for most of the game’s content: make it so older content eventually becomes easier so people are not desperate to pay for runs.

That’s when I stopped. I had made enough money (in game, no RMT) and by that time Titan, etc were easy enough people didn’t need me.

[Curisu]

It's just about current and ultimate content.

No one cares if someone gets carried through old savage like omega raids or dungeons.
They can be done undersized and in just one evening.
If people are so lazy that they need to spend gil or even real money for it then it is their fault.

It really is just about people buying (mostly for real money) these harder current challenges that they normally would never archive.
Month 1 savage clears or the ultimate clears.
These PayPal legends reduce the prestige and accomplishment of ultimates.

[TheGreatNeos]

For anyone who has played MMOs long enough: you know exactly what kind of carry services I'm talking about. Generally it stays a very small niche, but when a lot of players join the game it becomes a bigger issue.

SE probably shouldn't openly take a stance on this, because most players have no idea how bad these problems are and how quickly they can degenerate. The game goes from being a game to being a commercial operation- which limits information about how some mechanics work, encourages exploiting new players, creates cliques and just... There's so many problems with it.

SE should tread carefully, be aware of this. Maybe advise their sponsored streamers not to partake in this, for example. Since they have a huge influence on the community.

[Curisu]

The current situation on the Light DC...



They have to do something, otherwise it will become as bad as in WoW...
And I dont want that all the things you can archive in the game can be skipped with a credit card swipe.

[technole]

The reality is taking gil for a service isn't illegal. People pay for ERP, brothels, food, levekits, and yes content.

Sure there are PayPal legends, but that's also an under-the-table thing that can't be policed or proven in party finder.

[Curisu]

You can't compare RP services with boosting services.
The one is fully in-game and payed directly with Gil.
The other needs you to give away your account data and is mostly RMT transaction.

I don't want that the Ultimate titles get the same reputation as the mentor crown.

These titles and weapon's are something to show, that you have done the hardest possible content.
But when SE doesn't stop it now then it will continue getting worse. There are now a lot of new player who are used to just buy everything with real money, and I really don't want them to do the same here.

[technole]

You can't compare RP services with boosting services.
The one is fully in-game and payed directly with Gil.
The other needs you to give away your account data and is mostly RMT transaction.

I don't want that the Ultimate titles get the same reputation as the mentor crown.

These titles and weapon's are something to show, that you have done the hardest possible content.
But when SE doesn't stop it now then it will continue getting worse. There are now a lot of new player who are used to just buy everything with real money, and I really don't want them to do the same here.

Yes I can. You see the ones offering content for only gil, that's because it requires no piloting. The buyer can just not contribute or be dead for most of the fight and the seven will carry to the finish for the sticker price. That's how it works. It can't be done for all content available of course, like ultimates. But there is no shortage of people who want content like more recent savage or primal mounts otherwise there wouldn't be ads that say "we'll beat their price!"

[Lufir]

If they are linking you to a Discord they are 100% requesting RMT services.

[Curisu]

Someone selling/ buying old content for Gil is not the problem.
With a new add-on it is old and easy archiveable anyway.
The problem about it is that people sell Ultimates and even HoH/ Potd solo archivements.

Now, could anyone please explain me how someone gets carryed in a solo Potd run?
The same for ultimates and even older savages.
Can e8s light rempard be done with just 7 player?

[TaleraRistain]

Whether people agree with carry runs or not, the question here is what exactly do you expect SE to do without

1) roping in the many valid examples of "mercenary work" into their punishment net

2) proving RMT or account-sharing without getting way nosier than people are probably comfortable with about what else is going on with our consoles or PCs outside the game