Please restrict carry runs

[TheGreatNeos]

The party finder is completely full of spam for dungeon carries- those are supposedly sold for ingame currency, gil. However, these amounts of gil are nearly impossible to obtain legitimately for new players, and if the players have that much gil they typically would use it on other things.

A large portion of these carry runs are purchased with gil obtained through RMT, and then the players who do these runs turn around and sell the gil they obtained for real money through RMT.

I have played many MMOs in the past, FF14 is by far the closest to perfection amongst all of them. Every single MMO where carry runs weren't restricted resulted in serious degradation of the game's integrity. On Maplestory 2 for example, rampant carry runs organised by people who were sponsored to play the game on twitch caused insane amounts of RMT gil to move, and augmented the botting problem to insane proportions.

At the very least, make sure sponsored content creators do not partake in carry runs. Luckily I'm not aware of any content creators pushing carry runs, but its very important that it never happens in the future either.

[Jeeqbit]

Huge sums of gil are made by crafters in this game so they might make it legitimately.

The carries are not for dungeons, but for the challenging versions of raids and trials.

I don't really see a problem if someone is carried. Who really cares what other people do? If they didn't do the mechanics properly and were dead the whole time they will have to carry that knowledge with them and it will bother them or it won't.

[kaynide]

Couple points for you:

Ok, so first off I’m not voicing support for or against dungeon carries, just offering perspective. Full disclosure: there was a time I sold Garuda/Titan/Ifrit EX runs waaaaaay back in the Wild West of 2.0.

1) Without looking deeply at the specific listings you are talking about, I would hazard to guess these are not meant for new players to simply clear the run.

Rather, they are likely targeting collectors who are after a specific loot item (skin, currency, a title, something). Basically bored endgames trying to complete checkboxes on their collection or glamour. When I did this, EX accessories were primo.

You would be surprised what things people will throw money at given the option.

2) I did not engage in any form of RMT, but I can’t say that really means anything as it absolutely does go on.

While I have no idea how my “customers” got their gil, I didn’t turn around and sell any currency, but invested to fully level all my jobs and buy houses etc. Essentially busted my butt in 2.0 and really haven’t had to think about money since.

3) Money is super easy to get in this game when compared to other MMOs. Just doing passive weekly stuff can easily net you hundreds of thousands of gil. I don’t know the prices you are seeing, but you could easily have your first million around level 50.

4) If any of these are indeed RMT and it can be proven, please do report them and let them get the boot.

5) If you are curious how to make money fairly easily, I would be happy to provide suggestions.

[TeraRamis]

Huge sums of gil are made by crafters in this game so they might make it legitimately.

The carries are not for dungeons, but for the challenging versions of raids and trials.

I don't really see a problem if someone is carried. Who really cares what other people do?

Apparently the OP, who believes that freedom should be micro-managed out of existence. How dare people exchange in-game currency for services. Heavens.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Apparently the OP, who believes that freedom should be micro-managed out of existence. How dare people exchange in-game currency for services. Heavens.

Most of these are for multi hundred dollar PayPal transactions. It's why they won't talk to you in game about pricing, and force you to Discord.

There were several $1000+ ultimate sales, that also required you giving them your login info at one point. I remember seeing the adverts posted on reddit a while back.


Not hard to see....

[Risvertasashi]

Apparently the OP, who believes that freedom should be micro-managed out of existence. How dare people exchange in-game currency for services. Heavens.

Most of these are for multi hundred dollar PayPal transactions. It's why they won't talk to you in game about pricing, and force you to Discord.

There were several $1000+ ultimate sales, that also required you giving them your login info at one point. I remember seeing the adverts posted on reddit a while back.


Not hard to see....

On top of this, they'll require piloting the buyer's account - another thing which is a ToS violation and another reason why they won't discuss it in game.

So to the topic creator - it's basically already against the rules, but the problem is enforcement. And for some reason SE considers grouping up for RP to be PF abuse, but not this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kaurhz]

Huge sums of Gil are made by crafters in this game so they might make it legitimately.

The carries are not for dungeons, but for the challenging versions of raids and trials.

I don't really see a problem if someone is carried. Who really cares what other people do? If they didn't do the mechanics properly and were dead the whole time they will have to carry that knowledge with them and it will bother them or it won't.

It becomes an issue when those that bought their clears go on to parade if they were legitimate clears. It devalues the achievement and effort people went through it, and many people who often went through the effort to achieve something, irrespective of their own performance, are lumped into the same category as those who bought clears, especially if they don't want to opt into having their logs posted. You can barely get the first kill, and getting the mount whilst underperforming without being accused of buying the mount or buying a clear. It's pathetic.

Could care less what people do with their own time and more about the perception that this creates within the larger community or society around a particular activity, circumstance, or group. It creates a negative stigma.

Besides, even with this aside the rampant flooding of advertisements on the party finder is just obnoxious

[Awha]

I have not sold runs in FFXIV but I did engage in RMT and run selling back in retail WoW and did part in selling runs for items in classic WoW.

Yes during my early run selling days in WoW with my guild we would take ingame currency which would either convert to cash or reinvest in the guild, or tool straight up paypal transactions after getting burned by chargebacks with paypal we just shifted over to ingame currency unless it was someone that a player in the guild could personal vouch for.

That said policing such actions is complex for SE due to their stance regarding outside evidence if they want to combat this they will have to change that change. Though I will be honest outside of it being a rule violation I do not see much issue or how or devalues the accomplishment of others sure it may great a negative stigma and sure if clears are rampant then sure maybe a random may think instead of oh how they worked hard for they may say go oh probably bought it. Though question is why does one care what randoms think?

[XabyTimberwolf]

It becomes an issue when those that bought their clears go on to parade if they were legitimate clears.

I'll never understand this attitude. Reminds me of a kid that worked for me with his Knock off Gucci stuff. I'm like "sooner or later you're going to have to back that up and be caught in a lie"

I hate being carried. Haven't even joined an FC yet (new player) because I am worried they'll try to drag me through stuff and I won't beat it for myself. Felt like a useless sack in the forced Crystal Tower raid the MSQ made me do.

People like whom you describe are like those that use aimbots and wall hacks in a competitive FPS then act like they are just that good. I mean, you know you're full of it.

Maybe it's the Gen X in me but I just don't get it. A polished turd is still a turd.

[Catwho]

I'll never understand this attitude. Reminds me of a kid that worked for me with his Knock off Gucci stuff. I'm like "sooner or later you're going to have to back that up and be caught in a lie"

I hate being carried. Haven't even joined an FC yet (new player) because I am worried they'll try to drag me through stuff and I won't beat it for myself. Felt like a useless sack in the forced Crystal Tower raid the MSQ made me do.

People like whom you describe are like those that use aimbots and wall hacks in a competitive FPS then act like they are just that good. I mean, you know you're full of it.

Maybe it's the Gen X in me but I just don't get it. A polished turd is still a turd.

MSQ didn't used to force people to do Crystal Tower, but it comes back as an important plot point in 5.0 so they made it required. That said, the raid has been face roll easy for many years because people are synced down to twice the iLvl it was at when it first was released, and just out DPS it. It's farmed content for anyone who is 80 and working on a relic.
You can try to build a min iLVL to get the "real" experience but it hasn't been anything like min iLvl since 3.0 was released.

A good FC will allow you go to at your own pace and won't force you into doing any content you don't want to do. Most of the content run by FCs is all opt-in anyway. Tuesdays we're doing maps! Wednesdays we're doing Bozja! Thursday is breakout Savage statics! Saturdays are Extreme trials! Etc. My group will do the content the way someone wants to do it, too, although the majority of our members just want to go through and mow it down unsynced to farm it, anyway, so that's what we do. But I'm sure some FCs would love the challenge of doing this on the hardest setting just for fun.