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  1. #1
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    Roeshel's Avatar
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Scholar Lv 90

    I want the game designers to show us WHM-s how to play optimally without clipping

    Dear Yoshi-P,

    Why have you designed a class that cannot be played optimally in one of the few places where optimal performance is required?
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    Maribelle Morunaude
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Just clip lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurida View Post
    Just clip lmao
    Clipping is the same as being afk.

    In normal content is possible to achieve the 1x Dia - 12x Glare - 1x Dia rotation which is WHM's GCD rotation for optimal performance. In savage that's not possible to maintain under any circumstances.

    From my pov we are being given a puzzle with an image, the pieces build the correct image but for some reason, the pieces, when put together, do not match, so we have to cut them and glue them with the others so that we build some semblance of the initial image of the puzzle. It is not right.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Embrace the clipmage, and cry together we shall!
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    Feli Cific
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Clipping is the same as being afk.
    That seems like an exaggeration. When you clip, you delay your next GCD by a small amount. But the gap between GCDs is filled by an oGCD. So it's not like you stop doing actions.

    I do personally find that it feels bad to clip. Back in Stormblood it was optimal for SCH to clip in some circumstances, and I never liked doing it. But I wonder if this is because we've been conditioned to think that clipping is "wrong", because it's usually suboptimal. In situations where it's optimal, I'm not sure why we should be bothered by it. In a similar way, overhealing feels bad. But sometimes it's optimal (like using Whispering Dawn just to heal the tank during dungeon pulls). Why should we care if it's optimal?

    By the way, whether or not clipping is optimal is a somewhat subtle matter. It depends on whether clipping results in losing GCDs over the course of the fight, and this depends on things like kill time. A single clip probably won't cost you a GCD. But obviously the more often you do it, the more likely you are to lose one.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Well, you're done then, friend.

    You can't not clip on White Mage no matter what, because spells with cast time >= the recast time automatically clip when chain casting.

    Pack it up, boys, magic users are trash.
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurida View Post
    Just clip lmao
    The fact this gets the most upvotes just goes to prove how the skill level of healers has only plummeted ever since they simplified it.

    Clipping is terrible gameplay design.
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    If they did care, then we wouldn't have this problem.
    Clipping must be eliminated. Interface locks are a problem. Remember dragoon animation locks? where you jumped but even though you pressed a button your lock stopped the attack happening or even moving before the aoe smacked your health bar in two
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  9. #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Clipping is terrible gameplay design.
    Okay yeah it feels bad dude, I'm not gonna sit here and try to say that having to kick your GCD down the road 0.75 seconds every other time Assize comes up isn't dissimilar to the WHM designer making you bang your toe against the end table.

    I'm also sorry that the dummy parse of a white mage in Savage is interrupted by occasionally having to play the game, as if it's somehow a devastating attack from Yoshi-P himself that people like the OP have to ever deign to cast anything that's not a Glare (or Dia, at perfectly spaced 30s intervals to allow for optimal refreshing) but at this level of optimization and/or brain rot it means that you're basically done actually playing FF14 and are just using it to play FFLogs

    If you wanna ask for the cast time of Glare to be reduced as with AST's Malefic, so that WHM isn't the most immobile job in the game when played 'perfectly' from a DPS optimization standpoint then just ask for that straight up. Until they change that, WHM is going to be a game of little potency losses, as is befitting a healer that might occasionally have to heal, and equating that to the slow death of the skill of the user base because people don't get more upset over a 50 potency loss incurred for doing their job is out of touch at best.

    Just clip lmao
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  10. #10
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    Liam Harper
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    White Mage Lv 90
    If you don't really play WHM, why even post on a subject you have no knowledge about?

    Clips are 100 potency loss not 50, the decline in healer ability is due to overall simplification, giving Glare the Malefic treatment fixes nothing with the depth of the toolkit, if you're "doing your job" as you say Assize is far from your only clip given any sort of unplanned heal or emergency, saying that a clip is "having to play the game" is ridiculous given nearly every job in the game can play with 0 clipping and why on earth would I just "clip lmao" when I can play AST which does literally everything WHM does with full mobility.
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