This video about acts is pretty good from Yoshi-P

[Caitsithhh]

Well of course you will gate. (You already kinda do it with "already completed duty") If not, how will you pass the dps checks when one of the members is dishing dps numbers from previous expansion?
In xiv everyone just leaves the group pondering who did wrong. And it ain't helping chief. Bad players keep being bad (even if they want to improve) and keep joining other groups

Basically this. Can just look up ppl on the site that shall not be named to find like minded ppl and go from there.

[Caitsithhh]

Basically this. Can just look up ppl on the site that shall not be named to find like minded ppl and go from there.

And that’s basically how all statics that want to clear content quick do. Just kinda lame you cannot really go about looking in pf. It’s all taken to discord or Reddit to speak and post your work.

[raelgun]

Hard to believe you haven't seen this in the time you say you played. Maybe you don't raid much. I quit wow over 10 years ago. Played ESO and yes people use those logs to gate and bully. You can disagree that is your right, but don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

Content gates players first, DPS checks are in the game, how do you propose players over come those?

[Caitsithhh]

Another big true. Content gates the casual-mc playerbase til gear and echo, or even expansions allow it to be cheesed…

[Caitsithhh]

Another big true. Content gates the casual-mc playerbase til gear and echo, or even expansions allow it to be cheesed…

And I’m very much ok with this. Or the mmo would die and just be emote land.

[Snorky]

But we are not talking about built in content. We are talking about ACT third party programs being used by people who more than likely (unless they are dedicated) only look at how much dps is done. Ya'll can pile on if you wish but as was said in the video it's against TOS if you bring these things in game and harass others about their numbers.
Oh it's not gonna happen as a in game program. If the content gets completed that is all that should matter. Talking to people and not at them is another way to solve the issue. Also if it matters that much organize your own group.

[raelgun]

But we are not talking about built in content. We are talking about ACT third party programs being used by people who more than likely (unless they are dedicated) only look at how much dps is done. Ya'll can pile on if you wish but as was said in the video it's against TOS if you bring these things in game and harass others about their numbers.

So you dodge the question, I see.

Why would a player selectively form groups with a struggling player in a given content, especially if they are unable to pass said DPS check on a boss or encounter?

People in general form groups based on similar mind sets and basis, this includes similar intellect and skills.

[odintius]

So he still taking the middle ground approach good imo!

[TroySoFab]

I mean, Yoshi P politely stated: "Please do not use ACT, we will penalize the use of it."

I do not know what else is there to say. It is a clear statement and people using it anyways are disrespecting His wishes and the Set rules. It is as easy as that.

If that's the case then they need to stop making content where dps is the most important factor. Otherwise people will continue to use it, because it is the only way to measure performance in content, especially higher end content.

[Rinhi]

Hard to believe you haven't seen this in the time you say you played. Maybe you don't raid much. I quit wow over 10 years ago. Played ESO and yes people use those logs to gate and bully. You can disagree that is your right, but don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

no, I don't do savage raids, you're correct, and XIV is also the only MMO I've played and thus my expierence is only about this game's casual content, but that was the exact context of my post:
many of the posters who say that a DPS meter will be used for harassment and bullying are saying that it'll get used for just that in any kind of DF content, be it sastasha, steps of faith or eden normal, and in that context my post was made, as I've personally never seen someone cite DPS or logs to bully or talk down on another player in any kind of content I've done, aside from a tank doing it once (and it was neither harassment nor bullying, just the fact that both healers did not do ANY kind of damage)

plus, you can't compare savage raiding, where good, consistent dps are important, with "harassing and bullying players in casual content" that the pearl clutchers are talking about simply because they're two completely different things - one is endgame difficulty content, the other is easy to normal difficulty at best
projecting the experiences one had in other games onto XIV is weird, seeing as they're all completely different games with completely different playstyles and communities