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  1. #1
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    Keepers of the Moon, Culture, and Endwalker

    I think Koji Fox himself had acknowledged many times the dearth of lore regarding Keepers of the Moon and the Duskwight, especially when contrasted with their Seeker/Wildwood counterparts.

    There are, of course, hints that the Keepers arrived in Eorzea at a different period of time than the Seekers, and quite possibly didn't spend much time in Ilsabard (if at all), contrary to the Seekers who explicitly crossed the Jade Sea from Ilsabard to Gyr Abania during the Endless Frost. Combined with the implication that the Miqo'te homeland is actually Meracydia, and that many Keeper surnames trace back to the First Astral Era (and not, it must be noted, Seekesr of the Sun), I find it likely that Keepers probably came directly from Meracydia to Eorzea at some point, probably later than the arrival of Seekers, and retained their traditional culture that the Seekers had lost over time.

    This presents a great opportunity to go further in depth for Keeper history and beliefs, how it managed to survive the various eras, and what sort of things they managed to retain vs what was twisted or lost.

    I mean, there was considerable discussion in the 5.3 story about how history is learned, not lived, and how easily history is forgotten over time. That even surnames managed to survive a good ten thousand years is a strong counter to that, though it remains to be seen how relevant a fact like that truly is, given how long it's been since it was stated.


    Considering that Endwalker is going to focus its story on the moon, do you think we'll finally see some deeper Keeper history/culture? I would be bitterly disappointed if we didn't.
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Maybe a nodding line or two somewhere, but it certainly won't be a main focus at all.
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

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    We're going to the moon because that appears to be where Zodiark is imprisoned, not because of Keeper lore.

    I wouldn't expect much in the way of Menphina (primary goddess of the Miqo'te Keepers) lore to be brought up. Too many Ascians would spoil whatever she's cooking in that skillet of hers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    We're going to the moon because that appears to be where Zodiark is imprisoned, not because of Keeper lore.
    Alliance raids will be about the Twelve, right? Considering that, I am very hopeful about some interesting lore nuggets at least.
    Sure the whole pantheon seem to be acknowledged by the whole realm around, but certain members of the Twelve are especially important to some groups, whether defined by citizenship to city state or trade etc.

    I cannot really remember if any other deity other than Menphina and Azeyma were especially important to certain race like those two are to Keepers and Seekers.

    Overall, as general catperson fan, some new info about keepers would be appreciated--- Especially now that my lastest alt got me little geeky about keepers and twelveswood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burmecia View Post
    I cannot really remember if any other deity other than Menphina and Azeyma were especially important to certain race like those two are to Keepers and Seekers.
    Not including guardian gods for the cities, I'd argue that there's a few of the gods that still specifically represent a certain race.

    Azim for the Xaela, though he is basically the same deal as Azeyma.

    Rhalgr basically led to the creation of the highlander hyur since he led the future Ala Mhigans to the highlands, where they became the highlanders.

    Halone for the Ishgardian elezen, who are a completely separate subrace than the wildwoods and duskwights.

    Dunesfolk seem to be tied to Nald'thal, and their priests have records that go all the way back to the dunesfolk's time as sorcerers of Mhach. That itself may be a little hazy though since Belah'dia praised Azeyma and that's apparently where the foundation of modern thaumaturgy came from.
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    I'm really really hoping we get to know more about The Goddess of the Moon. Are there many entities that draw upon the Moon as inspiration/powers?. Is there only one being who is worshipped in different ways by different groups?
    I'm really hyped about the exploration of the Twelve in Endwalker expansion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gfrancsecolt86 View Post
    Is there only one being who is worshipped in different ways by different groups?
    Each one of them have been worshiped in different ways by different cultures.
    I think only Menphina use the moon, she have a sister...who use the sun

    As "creation of the world" tell us
    As Nymeia grew, however, so, too, did their love for one another, until it could no longer be contained,
    culminating in a divine coupling which resulted in the birth of two holy daughters- Azeyma, the sun, and
    Menphina, the moon-and with their advent, was day and night conceived.
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    It would be an absolute betrayal to the moonkeeper population if SE were to put a climax on the moon and not even mention the significance to an entire playable subrace that's themed around it. But! After the Azem thing I wouldn't be surprised if they were to come out and say they totally forgot that they created a nocturnal clan that revered and was themed around the moon. c': (Yes I'm salty)

    Here's hoping we at least see SOME kind of tribe in Thavnair, since we have at least one npc representative moonkeeper from there (Ranaa Mihgo. Though with how SE likes to use that one face, who knows if she's actually a keeper...)
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    Last edited by Roda; 07-27-2021 at 07:48 AM.