Eden 6-8 Normal Are Too Overtuned

[Auteur]

PREFACE: I beat E6-E8 normal on first attempt today. So the canned response of "you can't beat it get gud" does not apply to my complaint here. You can beat something and think it's overtuned; not mutually exclusive.

After beating these as a first timer today, I believe Eden 6-8 are way overtuned for normal and this seems to be an overcorrection from people complaining Alexander normals were too easy. E6-8 normals have savage tier mechanics that are not justified in my opinion, such as 0KO quick sliding and mechanics with no time to react unless you know what the mechanic does before you entered the instance and before your first attempt. As a contrast, I think Alphascape properly did normals vs savage such as the snake boss where normal had guardrails for positioning while savage removed those guardrails (so you could slide off). In contrast, E8 Shiva normal has no guardrails plus many mechanics that are virtually insta-cast.

E6-E8 is way too much of an overcorrection to people complaining normals are too easy. Alphascape got it right. SE has to dial back normal raids moving forward.

[ItMe]

SE has to dial back normal raids moving forward.

What did you think of 9-12?

[MPK]

>Coeurl

uh huh

[SwordswornFox]

>Coeurl

uh huh

As the Master Raider you feel you are, maybe responding with something a bit more substantive about how the mechanics are proper in the Normal verisions because of how the Savage version builds on them. Or any other mechanical based argument rather than just

'oh you're from one of those servers'

[Krotoan]

As the Master Raider you feel you are, maybe responding with something a bit more substantive about how the mechanics are proper in the Normal verisions because of how the Savage version builds on them. Or any other mechanical based argument rather than just

'oh you're from one of those servers'

.. It's MPK.. look at their sig. Their posts are generally comically outrageous elitist fluff. I suggest ignoring them. It made my forum experience better.

[Burmecia]

As the Master Raider you feel you are, maybe responding with something a bit more substantive about how the mechanics are proper in the Normal verisions because of how the Savage version builds on them.

Haven't heard of raiding Savage making anyone pleasantly articulate or smart... like that. Definitely did not make me either, Ultimate is not helping either.

If not by raiding... how one becomes less smug trashbag, pls send halp QQ

[WoW]

As the Master Raider you feel you are, maybe responding with something a bit more substantive about how the mechanics are proper in the Normal verisions because of how the Savage version builds on them. Or any other mechanical based argument rather than just

'oh you're from one of those servers'

No point explaining that to a data center filled with casuals. Telling them to git gud is far more productive.

[Roeshel]

As the Master Raider you feel you are, maybe responding with something a bit more substantive about how the mechanics are proper in the Normal verisions because of how the Savage version builds on them. Or any other mechanical based argument rather than just

'oh you're from one of those servers'

How is pointing the server they are from not substantive enough? Like, you need to know the clear rates of the servers first and foremost and then make the deduction that X type of players are more prevalent than Y type of players. And judging from that you can make the conclusion that Z type of mindset will be more common than A which is also the factor that contributed the most to the formation of the opening post. Arguing with the OP about why E6-E8 normal are not hard and overtuned is completely pointless. They said in the preface that they cleared them on their first try which only serves as an argument against the raids being overtuned but they can't realize that. This is how you know that intelligent discussion will get you nowhere.

[Nethereal]

Relativity.

Normals are all too easy, (that includes e6-e8 normal) that's why there's such a huge difficulty curve to savage. The fact people are going to die to a mechanic because they haven't seen it before is not a bad thing.

[Crushnight]

My brain ok let's take this one step at a time.

E6N - the worst thing about this fight is the visuals, This fight can be slowly killed with a single tank and a single healer, if that is overtuned I hate to think what would be classed as impossible.

E7N - Portals are not 1 shot and the 1st set is very slow to happen to ease you into what will be happening for the fight, adds dps check is very lenient, the only thing that's a 1 shot is putting both stack markers together and by this point in the game you have encountered this exact mechanic at least twice(possibly way more depending if used a skip potion or not)

E8N - no guard rails and ice slip and sliding this is what you called overtuned, no it is not, no guard rails been a thing since lv 34 Story mode Titan and Titan was permanently dead until wipe or victory, here your able to be ressed, slip and sliding has been a thing since lv 50 Shiva trial the story one and guess what it too had an edge of the arena mechanic where you touched the edge you get frozen and need to be broken out. You are lv80 and they introduced both of these things by lv50, this is not what constitutes overtuned.

Overtuned fights would mean they are legimately hard for the vast majority of the playerbase, which they are not because if they were in any capacity you bet the devs would've nerfed them by now since it has been over a year since they were released, they haven't thus it is safe to assume enough members of the playerbase are clearing these fights perfectly fine that the devs don't feel they need to be touched.

You may not know this but people complained the Weeping City of Mhach was too hard, the devs response "Git Gud" sometimes the devs do adjust content when they feel it needs to be these nerfs usually show up when the next part of the story it is tied to is out sometimes earlier if they feel it is too much, these fights have remained untouched make of that what you will.

Have to laugh that you want to compare Alte Roite which was regard as the easiest savage fight ever released so let that speak volumes to the level of difficulty people think of Alte Roite normal to E8 as a way to design fights to appropriate difficulty, fights are meant to get harder as you progress through a story not easier.




TLDR: these fights are fine if they were overtuned the devs would've done something about them by now since they have been released for over a year at this point.