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  1. #221
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    Eldevern's Avatar
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    R'lileen Min'enoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
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    Not really. The easiest job is similar to champions in LoL : one model, clothing integrated as a direct shape of the character. As soon as you do clothes, since you have two genders, you have two basic bodyshapes, it far easier and faster to extract one clothing from each and develop it specifically rather than doing one for both and copy one to another. Just the copy can generate ghost clipping. This because of topology and shape keys (especially since you need to delete as many hidden part as possible to avoid clipping and useless GPU work).
    The more HD is topology, the farest topologies are between genders (hips and breast for example).
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    Last edited by Eldevern; 07-26-2021 at 12:14 AM.
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    La normalité n'est que la moyenne de nos folies individuelles.
    Normality is just an average. I'm the weird, you're the bizarre.

  2. #222
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    Lihtleita Lonstyrmwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    Not really. The easiest job is similar to champions in LoL : one model, clothing integrated as a direct shape of the character. As soon as you do clothes, since you have two genders, you have two basic bodyshapes, it far easier and faster to extract one clothing from each and develop it specifically rather than doing one for both and copy one to another. Just the copy can generate ghost clipping. This because of topology and shape keys (especially since you need to delete as many hidden part as possible to avoid clipping and useless GPU work).
    The more HD is topology, the farest topologies are between genders (hips and breast for example).
    so lalafell should be allowed to wear any clothes because their models are literally the same right?
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  3. #223
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    A kilt is a type of skirt, it specifically being a kilt does not make it any less of a skirt.

    If fitting body types was what was worrying the devs enough to prevent them from removing the genderlock, there would be no horror such as the male au ra casual top (or jacket or w/e it's called), they'd care enough to make it look decent.

    Some people just seem to be against unlocking some gear because in their culture, it's deemed ugly or ridiculous.
    But in a different culture, it could be alright. As Wissp stated above, throughout history, men have been wearing skirted attires commonly enough.
    Good luck going to Scotland and calling a kilt a skirt, or going to Dubai and calling a kandora a dress/bath robe.

    Men weren't dressing up in skirts throughout history, generally speaking - and they most certainly weren't seen or portrayed as such.

    It isn't even considered to be a popular pursuit even in the modern day and one has to wonder how much of the support for such things is legitimate and how much is coerced due to threat of punishment...

    Personally, as a gay guy, I'd rather not see the direction of glamour dictated by niche pursuits.
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  4. #224
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    They're not referred to as skirts - they're referred to as kilts and they're quite clearly designed to not be a skirt in the regular sense and are built to adhere to the male form in a way that is very different to how a skirt would be designed to look and fit on a woman.
    In the grand scheme of design, Kilts and Skirts are literally the same thing. Probly the only real difference is the material they are made from, and a few trinkets. Otherwise, a Kilt is just a Skirt, you dont have to be Male to wear one, just like you dont have to be Female to wear a Skirt. Sure a Native to the culture might get offended, but they are and function the same....not like there is anything wrong with that.
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  5. #225
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    Kizuya Katogami
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    Making one set that fits both genders literally saves the workload of designing and texturing a different genderlocked outfit, I genuinely dont understand your argument.
    uhh what? They still have to work around body types. They have to work around the chest of females. They’d have to spend more time trying to customize it so it not only fits both genders the same, but all the different races as well. That’s much more work. Unless you have actual coding or designing experience, i’m gonna take it with a huge grain of salt because a lot of you seem to be thinking it isn’t a lot of work when the devs themselves have stated it’s more.
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    Tomboy Outback
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    so lalafell should be allowed to wear any clothes because their models are literally the same right?
    yes, actually, but they won't do that because it's either all or nothing.
    another issue is that male characters have midlander ( au ra, miqote, highlander, elezen ) and roe based races ( hrothgar ), while all female characters use the same base model so porting a female outfit would require double the work than the other way around.
    the exception is lalafell but they're identical in body
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  7. #227
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    Eldevern's Avatar
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    R'lileen Min'enoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    so lalafell should be allowed to wear any clothes because their models are literally the same right?
    Should? No. Could? Most likely.
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    Normality is just an average. I'm the weird, you're the bizarre.

  8. #228
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Loud Jungle
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    The last thing I want is boring genderless clothing/armors in this game.
    What adds flavor to clothes is when they're made to accentuate the naturally born gender or body shape.
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  9. #229
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    Yxiah Eruyt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roukiz View Post
    EDIT: Disappointed, but not surprised at the level of homophobia/transphobia, hate and apathy directed towards gender non-conforming people wanting to be able to have options in this game. A sad world.
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    I honestly thought we'd start to see more progress the day the both wedding attires were unlocked. Yet here we are, still getting fed cash-shop gender exclusive gear. Even with regular ingame items. Why?

    What I find hilarious is that the game purportedly already has female sets like the spring dress, and thavnarian outfit modelled and fitted for all male characters. This has been the case for more than a year now, and yet they're still locked in the actual game lol.

    Here are some images I found on the topic over on discord:



    What's more shocking and very confusing is that apparently, every single male exclusive designed item is always fitted and wearable for every female race. But the reverse is not true, as the data just doesn't exist at all.



    I remember back when people used to defend the genderlocking by bringing up countries such as UAE and the conservative nature of japan. But since everyone can run around in 2B's outfit, there really aren't anymore excuses as to why they're still at this.

    Yoshi P, please-
    I don't mind genderlocked items—I do mind when the outfits are restricted by job/class.
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  10. #230
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    Mother Kos
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    Are people really arguing about how clothing irl is cut in mass production to.. video game models that are custom fit?

    I'm sorry to say that all clothing you buy doesn't fit you correctly, unless you have it altered. But what I'm gathering is this thread is full of poorly dressed individuals.

    Bumping for the previous post: release job/role locked glamour. Gender locked glamour is small potatoes compared to this stifling system that should have died in MMOs years ago.
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