STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[ZedxKayn]

Haha Grizzlytank thinks the game actually has an engine that stretches the hyur midlander body to fit every race (except Roegadyn)? If that was the case making male viera and female hrothgar would be easy as hell.

That is a male midlander top scaled down to female miqote scale that you see in the picture, and it's possible for the game to render the picture specifically because they use the same body base.
Male roe and hrothgars share the same model, but most other races are "midlander based".

[Lauront]

>traditionally masculine gear
>plays midlander

Where's your confusion? They look better than the rather unfetching sharkfaces of highlanders, the frankly bizarre lack of eyebrows and the even worse alternative face options they have at their disposal. Virtually every other option has quirks that people love or hate. Not everyone enjoys the horns and tails of Au Ra, or the clipping we suffer, for example. Hence, midlander.

Can also say the derplander face looks better than any highlander I've ever seen. So I don't get your point.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm against it. I don't care if male characters wear dresses or skirts but not genderlocking new outfits often leads to one unisex version of the outfit which is usually traditionally masculine. That's something the game has already too much of.

Are we playing the same game? There isn’t exactly “too much” traditionally masculine gear. If anything it’s been something this expansion has lacked.

[Lauront]

Haha Grizzlytank thinks the game actually has an engine that stretches the hyur midlander body to fit every race (except Roegadyn)? If that was the case making male viera and female hrothgar would be easy as hell.

Instead what we got from Yoship is how they had to go through thousands of gear pieces and fit them manually to the race's specifications.

Furthermore, with the never-ending gender denominations/RP denominations how can they satisfy this crowd?
If it's not male characters wanting to dress like women it's people like Grizzly tank asking them to make whatever fits on men to look exactly the same way on female characters.

In this neverending identity world there's no way the devs win. They would only win if they stressed themselves out to make the same glam a hundred times to satisfy:
1. Male looking version of glam example 1
2. Female looking version of glam example 1
3. Male looking version of glam example 1 for female characters
4. Female looking version of glam example 1 for male characters

That would be the only scenario where the men wanting to look like women and the women wanting to look like men would satisfy all the possible scenarios. That's essentially doubling their workload.

There is a way that they win and that is by examining the actual numbers of people demanding this and, consequently, the minimal reputational impact of not satisfying it. Loud mouths on Twitter do not a substantial proportion of the playerbase make.

[Scryar]

Are we playing the same game? There isn’t exactly “too much” traditionally masculine gear. If anything it’s been something this expansion has lacked.

Apparently not if you think this game is lacking masculine gear. I'm playing a male character and like cool looking outfits and have a huge amount of outfits to choose from
My girlfriend on the other hand likes to dress her character in sexy/more revealing outfits and the poor choice she has in this regard is her second biggest complain about this game.
In the end removing all genderlocks will lead to one unisex outfit und everybody knows that outfit will be just the originally planned male version available for female characters.

[GrizzlyTank]

That is a male midlander top scaled down to female miqote scale that you see in the picture, and it's possible for the game to render the picture specifically because they use the same body base.
Male roe and hrothgars share the same model, but most other races are "midlander based".

Pretty much. The entire process of transferring the finished model from one race/sex combo to another should largely be automated since all playable models should be using the same base skeleton with different width/length of their body parts and the only notable differences between a male and female character is breasts, hips and possibly the butt, all of which should already be included in these weights. Only two things that should need an through check is helmets due to different head shapes and attachments such as shoulderpads, cloaks, belts and other doodads not tied to the base model.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Apparently not if you think this game is lacking masculine gear. I'm playing a male character and like cool looking outfits and have a huge amount of outfits to choose from
My girlfriend on the other hand likes to dress her character in sexy/more revealing outfits and the poor choice she has in this regard is her second biggest complain about this game.
In the end removing all genderlocks will lead to one unisex outfit und everybody knows that outfit will be just the originally planned male version available for female characters.

I’ve never played a female character so i can’t speak on that too much but, just from this thread alone it seems like even people who play female characters are tired of all the sexy/revealing outfits as that seems to be all they get? As for the male thing though, i guess there’s a difference between what looks “cool” and what’s inherently masculine. I guess it’s down to partially subjective tastes as well. 100% though healers and casters rarely ever have masculine gear if at all.

[Lauront]

For casters it's not so pronounced provided that it's their own AF. RDM sets mostly focus on elegance, BLM's are the typical FF archetypes (dark and edgy or Vivi, for example), and SMNs are all over the place. Plus for these sets, they do differentiate between genders.

It's where they get re-coloured versions of the healer ones that they end up sometimes with feminine outfits - not so much a problem when it's traditional robes or tunics, and luckily we didn't share gear for the first set of floors for Eden this time... poor SAM and MNK did.

Although with the Cryptlurker set I do wish we had gotten a re-coloured version, because I liked the hood on it better than the mask casters get.

[Ceridwenae]

I’ve never played a female character so i can’t speak on that too much but, just from this thread alone it seems like even people who play female characters are tired of all the sexy/revealing outfits as that seems to be all they get? As for the male thing though, i guess there’s a difference between what looks “cool” and what’s inherently masculine. I guess it’s down to partially subjective tastes as well. 100% though healers and casters rarely ever have masculine gear if at all.

I know I personally find it tedious on my lady cats. It's always some exposed thigh variant, and even when I was younger I didn't do that. I don't object to "feminine" clothing in the slightest, but feminine does not always equal bare thighs or skimpy underwear as outerwear. There's much more to femininity than that. However, I'm not ever after removing that from the people who do like it (and I do buy it when people say they don't have enough of those options, as they're looking at it from a different place than I do). Just wish I could have the stuff I'd prefer. I don't feel completely badly done to, however, I usually find enough to make things work. I largely suspect we're all in the same boat, just different cabins.

And whilst I can imagine my concept of masculine gear for my chaps is likely different to, say yours or Theodric's, I absolutely understand the request to want things considerably less frilly - I certainly wish the female gear was less frilly and childish, short shorts or skirts, and my main catguy wouldn't wear bows or frills, shorts or skirts either - unless Fashion Report demands it, of course. Though like I said, I usually find enough to make things work. I don't think anything should be genderlocked in theory, however. I just want a good range for everyone - whilst at the same time knowing it's not entirely practical, and that sort of feels a bit meh.

[HollowedDoll]

Pretty much. The entire process of transferring the finished model from one race/sex combo to another should largely be automated since all playable models should be using the same base skeleton with different width/length of their body parts and the only notable differences between a male and female character is breasts, hips and possibly the butt, all of which should already be included in these weights. Only two things that should need an through check is helmets due to different head shapes and attachments such as shoulderpads, cloaks, belts and other doodads not tied to the base model.

That's a misconception entirely, base skeleton =/= base mesh, plus male models don't have breasts and have a wider frame in general, there's no elegant way of adding those with the way you described.